From touch at isi.edu  Mon Jun  1 10:47:15 2015
From: touch at isi.edu (Joe Touch)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 10:47:15 -0700
Subject: [ih] ARPANET and Apollo 11
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On 3/12/2015 7:35 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> Odd how two such major things, long-term-historically speaking, happened in
> the same year!
> 
>     Noel

Woodstock too, to give further context ;-)

Joe


From galmes at tamu.edu  Mon Jun  1 11:49:37 2015
From: galmes at tamu.edu (Guy Almes)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2015 13:49:37 -0500
Subject: [ih] ARPANET and Apollo 11
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Noel,
   Sort of reminds me of my European history class, where the professor 
pointed out that, for a long long time, if you'd asked what happened in 
1492, the expulsion of the Moors from Spain would have been the big 
deal.  Only much later did Columbus's discovery of America come to be 
seen as more important.
   Maybe something similar will play out in mid-20th century technology 
history.
	-- Guy
p.s.: also, although it's *really* off topic, I do appreciate that the 
vocabulary I used for the 1492 example (commonly used when I was in 
college) is also dated, which shows how history keeps changing

On 6/1/15 12:47 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>
>
> On 3/12/2015 7:35 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> Odd how two such major things, long-term-historically speaking, happened in
>> the same year!
>>
>>      Noel
>
> Woodstock too, to give further context ;-)
>
> Joe
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From jeanjour at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 13:07:36 2015
From: jeanjour at comcast.net (John Day)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:07:36 -0400
Subject: [ih] ARPANET and Apollo 11
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Those two events are quite related.  Ferdinand and Isabella had just come to power because the Moors were thrown out, and Columbus had failed with everyone else because they knew what they were doing.  (They hadn?t fudged the size of the earth and knew they didn?t have the range to get that far.  Of course what they couldn?t know was that there was a continent in the way and he didn?t have to go that far.)  Isabella was taken in and didn?t know her science and Columbus lucked out.


> On Jun 1, 2015, at 14:49, Guy Almes <galmes at tamu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Noel,
>   Sort of reminds me of my European history class, where the professor 
> pointed out that, for a long long time, if you'd asked what happened in 
> 1492, the expulsion of the Moors from Spain would have been the big 
> deal.  Only much later did Columbus's discovery of America come to be 
> seen as more important.
>   Maybe something similar will play out in mid-20th century technology 
> history.
> 	-- Guy
> p.s.: also, although it's *really* off topic, I do appreciate that the 
> vocabulary I used for the 1492 example (commonly used when I was in 
> college) is also dated, which shows how history keeps changing
> 
> On 6/1/15 12:47 PM, Joe Touch wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/12/2015 7:35 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>> Odd how two such major things, long-term-historically speaking, happened in
>>> the same year!
>>> 
>>>     Noel
>> 
>> Woodstock too, to give further context ;-)
>> 
>> Joe
>> _______
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>> http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history
>> Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance.
>> 
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From jeanjour at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 13:09:07 2015
From: jeanjour at comcast.net (John Day)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 16:09:07 -0400
Subject: [ih] ARPANET and Apollo 11
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And the next year was Kent State.

> On Jun 1, 2015, at 13:47, Joe Touch <touch at ISI.EDU> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/12/2015 7:35 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> Odd how two such major things, long-term-historically speaking, happened in
>> the same year!
>> 
>>    Noel
> 
> Woodstock too, to give further context ;-)
> 
> Joe
> _______
> internet-history mailing list
> internet-history at postel.org
> http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history
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From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Tue Jun  2 06:42:38 2015
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Tue,  2 Jun 2015 09:42:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] Internet insecurity (BGP chapter)
Message-ID: <20150602134238.A7CF318C0B5@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

For those who haven't already seen this, Craig Timberg at the WaPo has a
series of stories about Internet insecurity, and in particular, the history
that led us to where we are today. The first two (a general background, and
a piece about BGP) are here:

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/05/30/net-of-insecurity-part-1/
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/05/31/net-of-insecurity-part-2/

A couple of us here were interviewed for this (along with many others), and
the articles seem to do a pretty good job of capturing (in a necessarily
restricted space) the essence of what happened. I'd be curious if anyone has
any comments/reactions to them.

	   Noel


From sob at harvard.edu  Tue Jun  2 07:05:45 2015
From: sob at harvard.edu (Bradner, Scott)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:05:45 +0000
Subject: [ih] Internet insecurity (BGP chapter)
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nice pictures of some of the people on this list as well

Scott

> On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> For those who haven't already seen this, Craig Timberg at the WaPo has a
> series of stories about Internet insecurity, and in particular, the history
> that led us to where we are today. The first two (a general background, and
> a piece about BGP) are here:
> 
>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/05/30/net-of-insecurity-part-1/
>  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/05/31/net-of-insecurity-part-2/
> 
> A couple of us here were interviewed for this (along with many others), and
> the articles seem to do a pretty good job of capturing (in a necessarily
> restricted space) the essence of what happened. I'd be curious if anyone has
> any comments/reactions to them.
> 
> 	   Noel
> _______
> internet-history mailing list
> internet-history at postel.org
> http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history
> Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance.




From randy at psg.com  Tue Jun  2 07:35:44 2015
From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 07:35:44 -0700
Subject: [ih] Internet insecurity (BGP chapter)
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well above average tech jouranlism.  he spent a long time on the piece.
it shows.

randy


From johnl at iecc.com  Tue Jun  2 10:14:19 2015
From: johnl at iecc.com (John Levine)
Date: 2 Jun 2015 17:14:19 -0000
Subject: [ih] Internet insecurity (BGP chapter)
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Message-ID: <20150602171419.35168.qmail@ary.lan>

>A couple of us here were interviewed for this (along with many others), and
>the articles seem to do a pretty good job of capturing (in a necessarily
>restricted space) the essence of what happened. I'd be curious if anyone has
>any comments/reactions to them.

These are some of the best tech articles in the general press I've
seen in a long time.  He gets the issues right and explains them in
an accessible way.

R's,
John


From brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 13:15:35 2015
From: brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com (Brian E Carpenter)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 08:15:35 +1200
Subject: [ih] Internet insecurity (BGP chapter)
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On 03/06/2015 05:14, John Levine wrote:
>> A couple of us here were interviewed for this (along with many others), and
>> the articles seem to do a pretty good job of capturing (in a necessarily
>> restricted space) the essence of what happened. I'd be curious if anyone has
>> any comments/reactions to them.
> 
> These are some of the best tech articles in the general press I've
> seen in a long time.  He gets the issues right and explains them in
> an accessible way.

Yes. Although for me, the wake-up call wasn't the Morris worm. It was
some serious abuse of the physics/space science DECnet, probably by the
Chaos Computer Club, in 1986 or 1987. It was no surprise that the network
was vulnerable; the surprise was that people would attack it maliciously.

   Brian


From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Jun 11 04:15:05 2015
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:15:05 -0400
Subject: [ih] =?utf-8?q?WEBCAST_TODAY=3A_The_Internet_Age_=E2=80=93_Founde?=
	=?utf-8?q?rs_to_Future?=
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Vint Cerf and Dave Farber on the same stage should be fun - and the other
two aren't exactly chopped liver either! 2:30pm


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*Thursday June 11 2015* at *2:30pm EDT* the *Internet Society
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?and ?
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Where: National Museum of American History, Washington DC When: Thursday
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From larrysheldon at cox.net  Fri Jun 12 00:40:16 2015
From: larrysheldon at cox.net (Larry Sheldon)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 02:40:16 -0500
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On 6/11/2015 06:15, Joly MacFie wrote:
> Vint Cerf and Dave Farber on the same stage should be fun - and the
> other two aren't exactly chopped liver either! 2:30pm

I was not able to get to see it--is there an on-line recording available?

-- 
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From joly at punkcast.com  Fri Jun 12 07:02:38 2015
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:02:38 -0400
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https://livestream.com/internetsociety/internetage

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon at cox.net> wrote:

> On 6/11/2015 06:15, Joly MacFie wrote:
> > Vint Cerf and Dave Farber on the same stage should be fun - and the
> > other two aren't exactly chopped liver either! 2:30pm
>
> I was not able to get to see it--is there an on-line recording available?
>
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