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From jtk at depaul.edu  Sat Feb 25 20:44:04 2012
From: jtk at depaul.edu (John Kristoff)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:44:04 -0600
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
Message-ID: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>

Hi friends,

In Paul Baran's paper entitled "Reliable Digital Communications Systems
Using Unreliable Network Repeater Nodes", published May 27, 1960 as
P-1995 by RAND, he refers to two other papers.  One in particular is
co-authored by Frank Yates and Paul Baran entitled "A Non Synchronous
Digital Data Link Transmission System Using Randomly Surviving Relay
Points".

I don't seem able to locate a copy of it and I'm interested in reading
it.  Does anyone know if it is available online or how I might obtain a
copy if possible?  Thank you,

John


From johnl at iecc.com  Sat Feb 25 22:42:36 2012
From: johnl at iecc.com (John Levine)
Date: 26 Feb 2012 06:42:36 -0000
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>

>In Paul Baran's paper entitled "Reliable Digital Communications Systems
>Using Unreliable Network Repeater Nodes", published May 27, 1960 as
>P-1995 by RAND, he refers to two other papers.  One in particular is
>co-authored by Frank Yates and Paul Baran entitled "A Non Synchronous
>Digital Data Link Transmission System Using Randomly Surviving Relay
>Points".

I see the reference, which says it's report P-1996, but P-1996 on the
RAND web site is something unrelated.  Is there anything other than
this reference to suggest that they actually published the paper?

R's,
John

P-1995: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1995.html

P-1996: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1996.html


From vint at google.com  Sun Feb 26 03:45:43 2012
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:45:43 -0500
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
Message-ID: <CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/2008/P1995.pdf


On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:42 AM, John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>>In Paul Baran's paper entitled "Reliable Digital Communications Systems
>>Using Unreliable Network Repeater Nodes", published May 27, 1960 as
>>P-1995 by RAND, he refers to two other papers. ?One in particular is
>>co-authored by Frank Yates and Paul Baran entitled "A Non Synchronous
>>Digital Data Link Transmission System Using Randomly Surviving Relay
>>Points".
>
> I see the reference, which says it's report P-1996, but P-1996 on the
> RAND web site is something unrelated. ?Is there anything other than
> this reference to suggest that they actually published the paper?
>
> R's,
> John
>
> P-1995: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1995.html
>
> P-1996: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1996.html



From jtk at depaul.edu  Sun Feb 26 05:52:46 2012
From: jtk at depaul.edu (John Kristoff)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:52:46 -0600
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
Message-ID: <20120226135246.GI13397@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 06:42:36AM -0000, John Levine wrote:
> I see the reference, which says it's report P-1996, but P-1996 on the
> RAND web site is something unrelated.  Is there anything other than
> this reference to suggest that they actually published the paper?

In the acknowledgment section of Paul Baran's P-1995 from RAND says:

  "Although the work in this paper has been performed at The RAND
  Corporation, the work described in the following two papers was done
  while this writer was employed by the Hughes Aircraft Co."

It is not clear to me if RAND or Hughes published them and as you noted
P-1996 from RAND is unrelated.  I can only guess, and hope, that they
survive, will be scanned and put online for posterity if not already
some place I've yet to stumble upon.

John


From johnl at iecc.com  Sun Feb 26 07:38:16 2012
From: johnl at iecc.com (John R. Levine)
Date: 26 Feb 2012 10:38:16 -0500
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
	<CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>

> http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/2008/P1995.pdf

That's another copy of P-1995, which refers to the mysterious P-1996.

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:42 AM, John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>>> In Paul Baran's paper entitled "Reliable Digital Communications Systems
>>> Using Unreliable Network Repeater Nodes", published May 27, 1960 as
>>> P-1995 by RAND, he refers to two other papers. ?One in particular is
>>> co-authored by Frank Yates and Paul Baran entitled "A Non Synchronous
>>> Digital Data Link Transmission System Using Randomly Surviving Relay
>>> Points".
>>
>> I see the reference, which says it's report P-1996, but P-1996 on the
>> RAND web site is something unrelated. ?Is there anything other than
>> this reference to suggest that they actually published the paper?
>>
>> R's,
>> John
>>
>> P-1995: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1995.html
>>
>> P-1996: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1996.html
>

Regards,
John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly

From mfidelman at meetinghouse.net  Sun Feb 26 11:09:08 2012
From: mfidelman at meetinghouse.net (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:09:08 -0500
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
	<CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>
Message-ID: <4F4A8354.3090104@meetinghouse.net>

Silly thought, but have you tried picking up a phone and CALLING someone 
at RAND?  I expect there's a corporate library you could start with.

Miles Fidelman

John R. Levine wrote:
>> http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/2008/P1995.pdf
>
> That's another copy of P-1995, which refers to the mysterious P-1996.
>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:42 AM, John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
>>>> In Paul Baran's paper entitled "Reliable Digital Communications 
>>>> Systems
>>>> Using Unreliable Network Repeater Nodes", published May 27, 1960 as
>>>> P-1995 by RAND, he refers to two other papers.  One in particular is
>>>> co-authored by Frank Yates and Paul Baran entitled "A Non Synchronous
>>>> Digital Data Link Transmission System Using Randomly Surviving Relay
>>>> Points".
>>>
>>> I see the reference, which says it's report P-1996, but P-1996 on the
>>> RAND web site is something unrelated.  Is there anything other than
>>> this reference to suggest that they actually published the paper?
>>>
>>> R's,
>>> John
>>>
>>> P-1995: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1995.html
>>>
>>> P-1996: http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P1996.html
>>
>
> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for 
> Dummies",
> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly


-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra




From LarrySheldon at cox.net  Sun Feb 26 11:35:16 2012
From: LarrySheldon at cox.net (Larry Sheldon)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:35:16 -0600
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <4F4A8354.3090104@meetinghouse.net>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
	<CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>
	<4F4A8354.3090104@meetinghouse.net>
Message-ID: <4F4A8974.4070107@cox.net>

On 2/26/2012 1:09 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Silly thought, but have you tried picking up a phone and CALLING someone
> at RAND? I expect there's a corporate library you could start with.

How "lo-tech" is THAT?!!?!  I was thinking "Hughes" from an earlier remark.

Maybe they could use VoIP and get away with it.
-- 
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                                         of System Administrators:
Ex turpi causa non oritur actio      Infallibility, and the ability to
                                         learn from their mistakes.
ICBM Data:  http://g.co/maps/e5gmy        (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)


From mfidelman at meetinghouse.net  Sun Feb 26 12:05:29 2012
From: mfidelman at meetinghouse.net (Miles Fidelman)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:05:29 -0500
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <4F4A8974.4070107@cox.net>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
	<CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>
	<4F4A8354.3090104@meetinghouse.net> <4F4A8974.4070107@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4F4A9089.8010604@meetinghouse.net>

Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 2/26/2012 1:09 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Silly thought, but have you tried picking up a phone and CALLING someone
>> at RAND? I expect there's a corporate library you could start with.
>
> How "lo-tech" is THAT?!!?!  I was thinking "Hughes" from an earlier 
> remark.

Want really lo-tech - try calling the research desk at one's local 
library - generally, they can track down anything and obtain it through 
inter-library loan.  Really useful when one wants a copy of an obscure 
paper that's only available for an exorbitant reprint fee - our local 
library can get pretty much anything, and deliver it via email, at no cost.

This Internet thing has nothing on public librarians. :-)

Miles



-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra




From LarrySheldon at cox.net  Sun Feb 26 12:47:12 2012
From: LarrySheldon at cox.net (Larry Sheldon)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:47:12 -0600
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <4F4A9089.8010604@meetinghouse.net>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
	<CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>
	<4F4A8354.3090104@meetinghouse.net> <4F4A8974.4070107@cox.net>
	<4F4A9089.8010604@meetinghouse.net>
Message-ID: <4F4A9A50.8030605@cox.net>

On 2/26/2012 2:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> On 2/26/2012 1:09 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Silly thought, but have you tried picking up a phone and CALLING someone
>>> at RAND? I expect there's a corporate library you could start with.
>>
>> How "lo-tech" is THAT?!!?! I was thinking "Hughes" from an earlier
>> remark.
>
> Want really lo-tech - try calling the research desk at one's local
> library - generally, they can track down anything and obtain it through
> inter-library loan. Really useful when one wants a copy of an obscure
> paper that's only available for an exorbitant reprint fee - our local
> library can get pretty much anything, and deliver it via email, at no cost.
>
> This Internet thing has nothing on public librarians. :-)

I have, in low moments of my life *walked into* a library and TALKED to 
a reference librarian.

And it is amazing what they can do.  And make it look incredibly simple 
in the process.


-- 
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                                         of System Administrators:
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                                         learn from their mistakes.
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From dhc2 at dcrocker.net  Sun Feb 26 19:02:53 2012
From: dhc2 at dcrocker.net (Dave CROCKER)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:02:53 -0800
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
In-Reply-To: <4F4A9089.8010604@meetinghouse.net>
References: <20120226044404.GA14879@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu>
	<20120226064236.24027.qmail@joyce.lan>
	<CAHxHggeLBjd3+4PeXmD9CFb_tL9D9Vm69d6cR=40nNyTjKBZ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1202261037290.43926@joyce.lan>
	<4F4A8354.3090104@meetinghouse.net> <4F4A8974.4070107@cox.net>
	<4F4A9089.8010604@meetinghouse.net>
Message-ID: <4F4AF25D.6090803@dcrocker.net>



On 2/26/2012 12:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> On 2/26/2012 1:09 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>> Silly thought, but have you tried picking up a phone and CALLING someone
>>> at RAND? I expect there's a corporate library you could start with.
>>
>> How "lo-tech" is THAT?!!?! I was thinking "Hughes" from an earlier remark.
>
> Want really lo-tech - try calling the research desk at one's local library -
> generally, they can track down anything and obtain it through inter-library
> loan. Really useful when one wants a copy of an obscure paper that's only
> available for an exorbitant reprint fee - our local library can get pretty much
> anything, and deliver it via email, at no cost.


Totally off topic, but still...

The research librarian at Rand helped with the original formulation of timezones 
in RFC 733. I was at Rand during the development of the spec.

We knew most of the zones, but I needed to find out what to call the timezone 
for Alaska.  I had heard that Rand's librarian was almost mystical in her 
skills, and this way my first opportunity to test her.

I called down and told here what I needed.  She called back in only a few 
minutes with the answer.  This was too quick; I could not imagine what book she 
had thought to consult and find so fast.  So I asked how she did it.

"I called the information operator in Anchorage and asked her what they call 
their timezone"...

d/

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sun Feb 26 19:21:32 2012
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:21:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ih] Looking for F. Yates and P. Baran paper
Message-ID: <20120227032132.B015918C13D@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Dave CROCKER <dhc2 at dcrocker.net>

    > Totally off topic, but still...

But definitely 'in scope' for this list, though! :-) Great story!

	Noel


From joly at punkcast.com  Mon Feb 27 11:20:07 2012
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:20:07 -0500
Subject: [ih] Fwd: [nextNY] Looking for Partners,
	Contributors for Web History Series
In-Reply-To: <60685.1330366114@prwithbrains.com>
References: <60685.1330366114@prwithbrains.com>
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1aQ31c+UF9wXAT10TFMbQuEydmG0EnPmgFm3wDDN_5RA@mail.gmail.com>

FYI

I know Bill as he does PR for NYI.NET and indeed arranged their sponsorship
of the after party for INET NY last June.

I have offered my services as camera person.

j

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From: <wlessard at prwithbrains.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Subject: [nextNY] Looking for Partners, Contributors for Web History Series
To: nextNYdigital at googlegroups.com


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