From craig at aland.bbn.com  Sun Oct  9 09:44:19 2011
From: craig at aland.bbn.com (Craig Partridge)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:44:19 -0400
Subject: [ih] first IP address exhaustion talk?
Message-ID: <20111009164419.0A00D28E137@aland.bbn.com>


Hi folks:

I'm trying to retrieve the first IP address exhaustion talk.

As I recall it was at an IETF plenary or similar meeting in late 1988 or
1989, perhaps by John Romkey, but I cannot find it in the IETF proceedings.
I remember a slide showing an exponential curve that had the audience
sucking in its collective breath.

Hoping someone's memory is better than mine about where the talk happened.

Thanks!

Craig


From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Tue Oct 11 01:53:51 2011
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:53:51 +1100
Subject: [ih] first IP address exhaustion talk?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1318186800.29435.internet-history@postel.org>
Message-ID: <CABA4F4F.1D372%ian.peter@ianpeter.com>


Since no one else is biting.....

Not sure when it was first presented, but I recall it being presented at
INET 93 in San Francisco and I am fairly sure Tony Rutkowski was the
presenter (I think I even have the slide he used somewhere in my archives)

He may be able to point you a little further towards the first presentation.


Ian Peter



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> 
> Hi folks:
> 
> I'm trying to retrieve the first IP address exhaustion talk.
> 
> As I recall it was at an IETF plenary or similar meeting in late 1988 or
> 1989, perhaps by John Romkey, but I cannot find it in the IETF proceedings.
> I remember a slide showing an exponential curve that had the audience
> sucking in its collective breath.
> 
> Hoping someone's memory is better than mine about where the talk happened.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Craig
> 
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From dhc2 at dcrocker.net  Tue Oct 11 07:17:46 2011
From: dhc2 at dcrocker.net (Dave CROCKER)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:17:46 -0700
Subject: [ih] first IP address exhaustion talk?
In-Reply-To: <20111009164419.0A00D28E137@aland.bbn.com>
References: <20111009164419.0A00D28E137@aland.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <4E94500A.7050009@dcrocker.net>


On 10/9/2011 9:44 AM, Craig Partridge wrote:
> I'm trying to retrieve the first IP address exhaustion talk.
>
> As I recall it was at an IETF plenary or similar meeting in late 1988 or
> 1989, perhaps by John Romkey, but I cannot find it in the IETF proceedings.
> I remember a slide showing an exponential curve that had the audience
> sucking in its collective breath.


Just to anchor this query, I believe the IAB commissioned the ROAD effort in 
1990.  I believe all community activity flowed from that.  By 1992, things had 
actually developed quite a bit.

In searching for the official ConneXions copy of the 1992 summary article I 
wrote, I came across a rather interesting site that cites it and other stuff on 
this topic:

    <http://rms46.vlsm.org/1/42.html>

Alas, it doesn't look as if any of the references satisfy Craig's question...

d/

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net


From bortzmeyer at nic.fr  Tue Oct 11 09:20:48 2011
From: bortzmeyer at nic.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:20:48 +0200
Subject: [ih] first IP address exhaustion talk?
In-Reply-To: <20111009164419.0A00D28E137@aland.bbn.com>
References: <20111009164419.0A00D28E137@aland.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <20111011162048.GA30618@nic.fr>

On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 12:44:19PM -0400,
 Craig Partridge <craig at aland.bbn.com> wrote 
 a message of 15 lines which said:

> I'm trying to retrieve the first IP address exhaustion talk.

http://free.vlsm.org/v01/internet/ietf/00/0178.txt

?


From bob.hinden at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 14:28:38 2011
From: bob.hinden at gmail.com (Bob Hinden)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:28:38 -0700
Subject: [ih] first IP address exhaustion talk?
In-Reply-To: <20111011162048.GA30618@nic.fr>
References: <20111009164419.0A00D28E137@aland.bbn.com>
	<20111011162048.GA30618@nic.fr>
Message-ID: <447CEE19-307E-4596-8591-8D6540EFD295@gmail.com>


On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 12:44:19PM -0400,
> Craig Partridge <craig at aland.bbn.com> wrote 
> a message of 15 lines which said:
> 
>> I'm trying to retrieve the first IP address exhaustion talk.
> 
> http://free.vlsm.org/v01/internet/ietf/00/0178.txt
> 
> ?

I really liked:

    Amanda Walker (1 Dec 88, Re: ToasterNet)

    ......

    I remember the NCP/TCP switchover. It will be a lot harder the next time...

Bob




From vint at google.com  Thu Oct 13 02:34:40 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 05:34:40 -0400
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
Message-ID: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>

while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
preserved?

vint


From el at lisse.NA  Thu Oct 13 02:54:45 2011
From: el at lisse.NA (Dr Eberhard Lisse)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:54:45 +0200
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E96B565.4040605@lisse.NA>

And that from the man himself :-)-O

Or must they work on the search algorythms more :-)-O

on 2011-10-13 11:34 Vint Cerf said the following:
[...]
> I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
> searches.
[...]

el
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From jklensin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 03:58:08 2011
From: jklensin at gmail.com (John Klensin)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:58:08 -0400
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC-QkAA-MOUdiO8UpC60Txmy19_cQK1faF3Kp8qXoKv6fTqb6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
> Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
> in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
> event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
> searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
> preserved?

Vint, I don't know about whether there is video.  It was a little
early for us to be doing that systematically.  But, in case it helps
to find it if it did exist, it wasn't in Kobe -- as far as I can tell,
the IETF has never actually met there although the IAB, famously, did.
 Probably San Diego (IETF 23) or Washington (IETF 25).

    john


From vint at google.com  Thu Oct 13 04:07:30 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:07:30 -0400
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <CAC-QkAA-MOUdiO8UpC60Txmy19_cQK1faF3Kp8qXoKv6fTqb6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC-QkAA-MOUdiO8UpC60Txmy19_cQK1faF3Kp8qXoKv6fTqb6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHxHggcdJsOP8tff-ML_7wxU+B6X13Qd0xfdKa3mmp6Kri8isA@mail.gmail.com>

I think the likely meeting time would have been July 1992 in the
Cambridge meeting.

vint



On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:58 AM, John Klensin <jklensin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>> while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
>> Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
>> in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
>> event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
>> searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
>> preserved?
>
> Vint, I don't know about whether there is video. ?It was a little
> early for us to be doing that systematically. ?But, in case it helps
> to find it if it did exist, it wasn't in Kobe -- as far as I can tell,
> the IETF has never actually met there although the IAB, famously, did.
> ?Probably San Diego (IETF 23) or Washington (IETF 25).
>
> ? ?john
>



From jmamodio at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 05:03:17 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 07:03:17 -0500
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzo+1YrxOWMHYEtdhHMq0sQu6qAnye8vvS8icUtAyZ2AEb1RA@mail.gmail.com>

Was it Kobe or San Francisco in 1993 ?

I remember you showing your famous shirt during Inet'93, I believe it was
during a big party we had at Justin Herman Plaza.

Hope yours turned out better than me dancing the hula-hula on Inet'95.
http://youtu.be/M3DoG41uuzo

Jorge


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
> Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
> in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
> event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
> searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
> preserved?
>
> vint
>


From vint at google.com  Thu Oct 13 05:13:01 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:13:01 -0400
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <CAMzo+1YrxOWMHYEtdhHMq0sQu6qAnye8vvS8icUtAyZ2AEb1RA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMzo+1YrxOWMHYEtdhHMq0sQu6qAnye8vvS8icUtAyZ2AEb1RA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHxHggerxdt3+HBrMZWuwBJs_pjorBhWDuLiVSLRng4gSPh9aw@mail.gmail.com>

i am pretty sure it was Cambridge, MA in July 1992 for the strip
tease. I could well have brought copies of the shirts to later IETF
meetings.

v


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com> wrote:
> Was it Kobe or San Francisco in 1993 ?
>
> I remember you showing your famous shirt during Inet'93, I believe it was
> during a big party we had at Justin Herman Plaza.
>
> Hope yours turned out better than me dancing the hula-hula on Inet'95.
> http://youtu.be/M3DoG41uuzo
>
> Jorge
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>> while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
>> Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
>> in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
>> event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
>> searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
>> preserved?
>>
>> vint
>>
>


From casner at acm.org  Thu Oct 13 08:44:26 2011
From: casner at acm.org (Stephen Casner)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <CAHxHggcdJsOP8tff-ML_7wxU+B6X13Qd0xfdKa3mmp6Kri8isA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC-QkAA-MOUdiO8UpC60Txmy19_cQK1faF3Kp8qXoKv6fTqb6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHxHggcdJsOP8tff-ML_7wxU+B6X13Qd0xfdKa3mmp6Kri8isA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.1.10.1110130824450.28884@luft.gateway.2wire.net>

Vint,

There were, indeed, video cameras in operation at the July 1992 IETF
in Cambridge because that was the first meeting where video of some
sessions was transmitted via IP multicast.  (The prior meeting in San
Diego was the first with audio over IP multicast.)  I know that at
some point in the series of media multicasts from IETF we began
recording the video to tape so that we could replay the recording for
remote receivers in other time zones, but I do not recall whether such
recording began with that first video multicast.  I have looked back
through my email regarding the equipment setup for that session, and I
don't see VCRs mentioned.

For a while I was storing a bunch of the VHS tapes from the IETF
meetings that were recorded, but then at one point I turned them all
over to you, Vint, for archiving.

                                                        -- Steve

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Vint Cerf wrote:

> I think the likely meeting time would have been July 1992 in the
> Cambridge meeting.
>
> vint
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:58 AM, John Klensin <jklensin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> >> while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
> >> Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
> >> in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
> >> event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
> >> searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
> >> preserved?
> >
> > Vint, I don't know about whether there is video.  It was a little
> > early for us to be doing that systematically.  But, in case it helps
> > to find it if it did exist, it wasn't in Kobe -- as far as I can tell,
> > the IETF has never actually met there although the IAB, famously, did.
> > Probably San Diego (IETF 23) or Washington (IETF 25).
> >
> >     john


From vint at google.com  Thu Oct 13 19:29:05 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:29:05 -0400
Subject: [ih] 1992 Kobe striptease video?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.1.10.1110130824450.28884@luft.gateway.2wire.net>
References: <CAHxHggdouEQyudWPUYT5K-8zNA+ubkD0Dd-7FmFZ-o2EUj8c1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC-QkAA-MOUdiO8UpC60Txmy19_cQK1faF3Kp8qXoKv6fTqb6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHxHggcdJsOP8tff-ML_7wxU+B6X13Qd0xfdKa3mmp6Kri8isA@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.OSX.1.10.1110130824450.28884@luft.gateway.2wire.net>
Message-ID: <CAHxHggdz+DnQfruwNE7uY=1CG+86cb9fMQE+o5RWW0Keg+zxow@mail.gmail.com>

HI Steve! I did see a video from someone some time ago but not recently.

vint



On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Stephen Casner <casner at acm.org> wrote:
> Vint,
>
> There were, indeed, video cameras in operation at the July 1992 IETF
> in Cambridge because that was the first meeting where video of some
> sessions was transmitted via IP multicast. ?(The prior meeting in San
> Diego was the first with audio over IP multicast.) ?I know that at
> some point in the series of media multicasts from IETF we began
> recording the video to tape so that we could replay the recording for
> remote receivers in other time zones, but I do not recall whether such
> recording began with that first video multicast. ?I have looked back
> through my email regarding the equipment setup for that session, and I
> don't see VCRs mentioned.
>
> For a while I was storing a bunch of the VHS tapes from the IETF
> meetings that were recorded, but then at one point I turned them all
> over to you, Vint, for archiving.
>
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- Steve
>
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011, Vint Cerf wrote:
>
>> I think the likely meeting time would have been July 1992 in the
>> Cambridge meeting.
>>
>> vint
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:58 AM, John Klensin <jklensin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>> >> while at ARIN a couple of us tried to find a video of the "IP on
>> >> Everything" striptease I felt compelled to perform at the IETF in 1992
>> >> in Kobe. At one time, someone sent me a pointer to a video of that
>> >> event but I have not succeeded in turning it up in extensive Google
>> >> searches. Would anyone on this list happen to know whether a video was
>> >> preserved?
>> >
>> > Vint, I don't know about whether there is video. ?It was a little
>> > early for us to be doing that systematically. ?But, in case it helps
>> > to find it if it did exist, it wasn't in Kobe -- as far as I can tell,
>> > the IETF has never actually met there although the IAB, famously, did.
>> > Probably San Diego (IETF 23) or Washington (IETF 25).
>> >
>> > ? ? john
>



From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Thu Oct 13 21:10:23 2011
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] DMR has left the building...
Message-ID: <20111014041023.EA8CE18C158@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

Just saw this, which I forward here for those, like me, who hadn't heard:

 Dennis Ritchie, computer-programming pioneer, dies
 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111013/D9QBJ8F02.html

As someone who had a Unix long enough ago that it still had /sys/ken and
/sys/dmr directories, I am mildly embarrassed to admit that I thought the
names stood for 'kernel' and 'direct memory <something>' - only later did
the penny drop!

One of the Greats....

    Noel


From galmes at tamu.edu  Wed Oct 26 08:52:13 2011
From: galmes at tamu.edu (Guy Almes)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:52:13 -0500
Subject: [ih] John McCarthy
Message-ID: <4EA82CAD.1090502@tamu.edu>

   We note with sadness the death of John McCarthy.  He is not strongly 
associated with the Internet, but his vigorous leadership, especially at 
SAIL, contributed to a thriving ARPAnet community, and his ideas about 
how an infrastructure of consumer-oriented time-sharing systems 
contributed to some of the application ideas we see now in the 
consumer-oriented Internet.

   Any comments?
	-- Guy


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Wed Oct 26 09:48:37 2011
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:48:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] John McCarthy
Message-ID: <20111026164837.5102118C0E3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Guy Almes <galmes at tamu.edu>

    > We note with sadness the death of John McCarthy.
    > ...
    > Any comments?

To me, one of his biggest influences was his early foundational work on
time-sharing systems; more here:

  http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/timesharing/timesharing.html

All modern computers are basically time-sharing systems, just mostly
single-user ones.


The AP obit is here:

  http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111025/D9QJJS901.html 

Kinda short, though...

	Noel


From bob.hinden at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 22:48:22 2011
From: bob.hinden at gmail.com (Bob Hinden)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:48:22 +0000
Subject: [ih] John McCarthy
In-Reply-To: <4EA82CAD.1090502@tamu.edu>
References: <4EA82CAD.1090502@tamu.edu>
Message-ID: <216BCB2F-EB44-4FD0-8347-62DAB8606F12@gmail.com>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/science/26mccarthy.html

I never meet him, but have fond memories of reading his "LISP 1.5 Programmer's Manual" while I was working on a LISP interpreter for a GE415.  I recently discovered the book is available on Amazon.

Bob

On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Guy Almes wrote:

>  We note with sadness the death of John McCarthy.  He is not strongly associated with the Internet, but his vigorous leadership, especially at SAIL, contributed to a thriving ARPAnet community, and his ideas about how an infrastructure of consumer-oriented time-sharing systems contributed to some of the application ideas we see now in the consumer-oriented Internet.
> 
>  Any comments?
> 	-- Guy