From amckenzie3 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 13:59:56 2011
From: amckenzie3 at yahoo.com (Alex McKenzie)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ih] Paul Baran
In-Reply-To: <20110328152658.0E04718C0BD@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <893177.93011.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At least some of the reports written at RAND by Paul are publicly available.  For example a few chapters appear in "The ARPANET Sourcebook: The Unpublished Foundations of the Internet" by Peter Salus.  Probably that book, which I don't have at hand, tells where Peter obtained the republished material.

Alex McKenzie


From jmamodio at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:45:49 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 02:45:49 -0500
Subject: [ih] Paul Baran
In-Reply-To: <893177.93011.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20110328152658.0E04718C0BD@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
	<893177.93011.qm@web30606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikhKrPutFKpeg10eHGtCEdneZ0AGw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Alex McKenzie <amckenzie3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> At least some of the reports written at RAND by Paul are publicly available. ?For example a few chapters appear in "The ARPANET Sourcebook: The Unpublished Foundations of the Internet" by Peter Salus. ?Probably that book, which I don't have at hand, tells where Peter obtained the republished material.

Peter's book has only two of Baran's reports fully reproduced in the
book, he only removed the cover page and blank pages.

The reports in the book are:
- RM-3420-PR I. Introduction to Distributed Communication Networks
- RM-3767-PR XI. Summary Overview

Before the reproduction of these two reports there is a page with the
list of all known reports with a brief summary and a note that
says "The reports are available to 'qualified requestors' from the
Defense Documentation Center", but these two and all others
are available for public download at RAND's site on the URL posted by Noel.

The book does not have anything else from Paul Baran.

-Jorge



From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Apr  2 08:05:07 2011
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Sat,  2 Apr 2011 11:05:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] Paul Baran
Message-ID: <20110402150507.5451118C13A@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>

    > these two and all others are available for public download at RAND's
    > site on the URL posted by Noel.

Uh, I'm pretty sure the two classified volumes aren't. But, as I mentioned
previously, Baran himself indicated there was not much of interest in those
two volumes (although it would of course be mildly interesting to see them)

	Noel


From jmamodio at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 15:58:57 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 17:58:57 -0500
Subject: [ih] Paul Baran
In-Reply-To: <20110402150507.5451118C13A@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20110402150507.5451118C13A@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimRoeGUDYou30+jEB2Nj_QONp1yfA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> ? ?> From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>
>
> ? ?> these two and all others are available for public download at RAND's
> ? ?> site on the URL posted by Noel.
>
> Uh, I'm pretty sure the two classified volumes aren't. But, as I mentioned
> previously, Baran himself indicated there was not much of interest in those
> two volumes (although it would of course be mildly interesting to see them)

That's right the classified docs are not at RAND's site nor on Paul's book.

-Jorge



From harald at alvestrand.no  Fri Apr  8 06:12:06 2011
From: harald at alvestrand.no (Harald Alvestrand)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:12:06 +0200
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <4D6D0BC7.4020803@rkey.com>
References: <20110301035038.5971718C10B@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>	<4D6D005F.2020900@channelisles.net>
	<4D6D0BC7.4020803@rkey.com>
Message-ID: <4D9F09A6.3020107@alvestrand.no>

On 03/01/11 16:07, Craig Simon wrote:
> RFC 204 "Sockets in use" struck me as the threshold event in Postel's 
> role as IANA, well before the name was in use. RFC 1174 figures highly 
> in the declaration of IANAs's status.
>
> I covered that at length in my Ph.D. dissertation, which I recently 
> discovered is now on Scribd at http://www.scribd.com/doc/45142013/ .
I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the 
timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs 
in RFC 1069 (1990).

RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>
> Craig Simon
>
> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>> protocols only.
>>
>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



From cls at rkey.com  Fri Apr  8 07:53:08 2011
From: cls at rkey.com (Craig Simon)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 10:53:08 -0400
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <4D9F09A6.3020107@alvestrand.no>
References: <20110301035038.5971718C10B@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>	<4D6D005F.2020900@channelisles.net>	<4D6D0BC7.4020803@rkey.com>
	<4D9F09A6.3020107@alvestrand.no>
Message-ID: <4D9F2154.5000208@rkey.com>

Pointing out the earliest institutional reference to IANA in print is 
problematic since RFC 1069 lists a publication date of February 1989, 
while RFC 1083, though later in sequence, indicates publication in 
December 1988 and refers to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, but 
not the IANA acronym. Tedious stuff.

The Wikipedia entry does list one of the most important RFCs in that 
history... RFC 349 from May 1972, which starts, "I propose that there be 
a czar (me ?) who hands out official socket numbers for use by standard 
protocols"

IN RFC 433 (December 1972) he confidently announces himself as "The czar 
of socket numbers."

In practice, outright czarship gave way as Joyce Reynolds took on 
greater responsibility, and that evidently happened well before the term 
IANA appeared in print.

Craig Simon

> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the
> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs
> in RFC 1069 (1990).
>
> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>>
>> Craig Simon
>>
>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>> protocols only.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



From eric.gade at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 08:24:11 2011
From: eric.gade at gmail.com (Eric Gade)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:24:11 +0100
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <4D9F2154.5000208@rkey.com>
References: <20110301035038.5971718C10B@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
	<4D6D005F.2020900@channelisles.net> <4D6D0BC7.4020803@rkey.com>
	<4D9F09A6.3020107@alvestrand.no> <4D9F2154.5000208@rkey.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTingNVz9v0zWexS635QYiN-hnXbyxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just as an aside on the 'czar' language, I've come across a very early hard
copy draft of domain requirements (from 1982) where 'czar of domains' is
crossed out by hand and replaced with 'registrar of domains'

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Craig Simon <cls at rkey.com> wrote:

> Pointing out the earliest institutional reference to IANA in print is
> problematic since RFC 1069 lists a publication date of February 1989, while
> RFC 1083, though later in sequence, indicates publication in December 1988
> and refers to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, but not the IANA
> acronym. Tedious stuff.
>
> The Wikipedia entry does list one of the most important RFCs in that
> history... RFC 349 from May 1972, which starts, "I propose that there be a
> czar (me ?) who hands out official socket numbers for use by standard
> protocols"
>
> IN RFC 433 (December 1972) he confidently announces himself as "The czar of
> socket numbers."
>
> In practice, outright czarship gave way as Joyce Reynolds took on greater
> responsibility, and that evidently happened well before the term IANA
> appeared in print.
>
> Craig Simon
>
>
> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the
>> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs
>> in RFC 1069 (1990).
>>
>> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>>
>>>
>>> Craig Simon
>>>
>>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>>> protocols only.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Eric
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From nigel at channelisles.net  Fri Apr  8 09:12:31 2011
From: nigel at channelisles.net (Nigel Roberts)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:12:31 +0100
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
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References: <20110301035038.5971718C10B@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>	<4D6D005F.2020900@channelisles.net>	<4D6D0BC7.4020803@rkey.com>	<4D9F09A6.3020107@alvestrand.no>
	<4D9F2154.5000208@rkey.com>
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At some point, after August 1996 but probably before 1998, the 
http://www.isi.edu/iana web page (this was before HTTP V1.1 eliminated 
the need for one IP per website) stated that 'the IANA is chartered by 
the Internet Society'.

Does anyone have any further information on this?


On 04/08/2011 03:53 PM, Craig Simon wrote:
> Pointing out the earliest institutional reference to IANA in print is
> problematic since RFC 1069 lists a publication date of February 1989,
> while RFC 1083, though later in sequence, indicates publication in
> December 1988 and refers to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, but
> not the IANA acronym. Tedious stuff.
>
> The Wikipedia entry does list one of the most important RFCs in that
> history... RFC 349 from May 1972, which starts, "I propose that there be
> a czar (me ?) who hands out official socket numbers for use by standard
> protocols"
>
> IN RFC 433 (December 1972) he confidently announces himself as "The czar
> of socket numbers."
>
> In practice, outright czarship gave way as Joyce Reynolds took on
> greater responsibility, and that evidently happened well before the term
> IANA appeared in print.
>
> Craig Simon
>
>> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the
>> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs
>> in RFC 1069 (1990).
>>
>> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>>>
>>> Craig Simon
>>>
>>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>>> protocols only.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


From jmamodio at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 12:00:48 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 14:00:48 -0500
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <4D9F33EF.8050402@channelisles.net>
References: <20110301035038.5971718C10B@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
	<4D6D005F.2020900@channelisles.net> <4D6D0BC7.4020803@rkey.com>
	<4D9F09A6.3020107@alvestrand.no> <4D9F2154.5000208@rkey.com>
	<4D9F33EF.8050402@channelisles.net>
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> At some point, after August 1996 but probably before 1998, the
> http://www.isi.edu/iana web page (this was before HTTP V1.1 eliminated the
> need for one IP per website) stated that 'the IANA is chartered by the
> Internet Society'.
>
> Does anyone have any further information on this?

As far as I remember that was discussed before and during the first
Inet meeting in Denmark (1991) that led to the creation of ISOC, as a
path to provide some sort of institutional umbrella and legal
protection to IANA, IAB and IETF.

I'll dig into old files to see if I find something.

-J


From braden at isi.edu  Fri Apr  8 13:24:47 2011
From: braden at isi.edu (Bob Braden)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:24:47 -0700
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
Message-ID: <4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>


>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>> protocols only.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
Yes.

I would agree that RFC 204 was the first published manifestation of Jon 
Postel's self-appointed
role of registering protocol parameters for the ARPAnet (and later the 
Internet). Of course, he
could not be the  IANA before there was an Internet... he would have 
been called the AANA?
Jon started writing down numeric values in a notebook, probably more 
than a year before
RFC 204.  Steve Crocker would probably recall.

Bob Braden




From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Fri Apr  8 19:36:03 2011
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Fri,  8 Apr 2011 22:36:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
Message-ID: <20110409023603.58BC118C0FC@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>

    > As far as I remember that was discussed before and during the first
    > Inet meeting in Denmark (1991) that led to the creation of ISOC, as
    > a path to provide some sort of institutional umbrella and legal
    > protection to IANA, IAB and IETF.

I have some memories to contribute that go back a bit further.

There was an ad-hoc discussion at a speaker's meal (no idea if it was
breakfast or lunch) at an Interop in San Jose (sorry, don't remember which
one, but it was one of the first ones), and IIRC I think the participants
included me, Craig Patridge (definitely), Phill Gross (likely), Vint
(possibly) and Scott Bradner (possibly). The topic was how to get
manufacturers to actually fix security bugs, and we discussed the
possibility of using liability issues to light a fire under them. (As in,
the manufacturer is notified of a bug, they don't move expeditiously to
fix it, someone suffers losses as a result of a breakin which uses it,
then the manufacturer might be liable for losses as a result.)

I had an existing relationship with someone at the Washington office of
Hale and Dorr (at that point, the law firm I was using) whose name I
cannot remember since I'm tired (I can trivially look it up if it's
important), which I had formed through using them to put together a
sentencing memo for the court in the RTM 'worm' case. I volunteered to
have them look into the issue.

Hale and Dorr promptly produced a fairly good-sized tome (which I can
probably locate a copy of, if it's important) on liability issues, and
they then raised the issue of _standards body_ liability. It was a kind of
'good news - bad news' thing, in that standards body members (especially
of an ad-hoc group like the IETF) as individuals _could_ be liable... but
there were some fairly easy steps we could take (and there's a famous case
involving, IIRC, boiler-making standards to set precedent) to make us
pretty immune. (Not against a suit being filed, since you can't stop that,
but against losing such a suit.)

This was all revealed to a group of us (including me, Vint (pretty
definitely), Scott Bradner (possibly), and a few others) at the Washington
offices of Hale and Dorr. The notion that we all could be personally
liable was something of a shock - I remember fairly vividly the expression
on Vint's face, and his verbal reaction, when that sunk in!

Anyway, as far as I know that's what produced the interest in having a set
of rules that made us relatively safe from liability, as well as an angel
body overhead to 'shield' us as individuals, hold insurance, etc, etc. I
do not recall the Denmark meeting you speak of, but I am pretty sure that
that would have been later.

I can dig up documents on this if anyone really cares (including my Hale
and Dorr bills, which I think should give us the date of the Washington
meeting). I don't think I paid for anything after that, I think the
legal work was taken over by some other entity right after that meeting.

	Noel


From feinler at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  8 20:14:55 2011
From: feinler at earthlink.net (Elizabeth Feinler)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 20:14:55 -0700
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
Message-ID: <FA08ADB3-BD6D-452B-911C-04F6A73156DB@earthlink.net>

Jon Postel worked at SRI from Sep. 23, 1974 to Mar. 11, 1977.  He was in charge of socket numbers (what eventually became Assigned Numbers) while he was at SRI while the NIC maintained the host tables.  When Jon left SRI to join ISI, the Assigned Numbers list grew extensibly and was a more formal effort maintained by Jon and Joyce Reynolds at ISI.  In 1987 Assigned Numbers maintenance was transferred back to SRI as part of the NIC project where it remained until 1991 when the NIC project at SRI ended.  I do not recall the use of the term IANA until after Jon left SRI.  Perhaps Joyce Reynolds can clarify the origin of IANA so it is correct in Wikipedia.  

Regards,

Jake Feinler 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:12:06 +0200
> From: Harald Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
> To: internet-history at postel.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> On 03/01/11 16:07, Craig Simon wrote:
>> RFC 204 "Sockets in use" struck me as the threshold event in Postel's 
>> role as IANA, well before the name was in use. RFC 1174 figures highly 
>> in the declaration of IANAs's status.
>> 
>> I covered that at length in my Ph.D. dissertation, which I recently 
>> discovered is now on Scribd at http://www.scribd.com/doc/45142013/ .
> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the 
> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs 
> in RFC 1069 (1990).
> 
> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>> 
>> Craig Simon
>> 
>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>> protocols only.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 10:53:08 -0400
> From: Craig Simon <cls at rkey.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
> To: Harald Alvestrand <harald at alvestrand.no>,
> 	internet-history at postel.org
> Message-ID: <4D9F2154.5000208 at rkey.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Pointing out the earliest institutional reference to IANA in print is 
> problematic since RFC 1069 lists a publication date of February 1989, 
> while RFC 1083, though later in sequence, indicates publication in 
> December 1988 and refers to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, but 
> not the IANA acronym. Tedious stuff.
> 
> The Wikipedia entry does list one of the most important RFCs in that 
> history... RFC 349 from May 1972, which starts, "I propose that there be 
> a czar (me ?) who hands out official socket numbers for use by standard 
> protocols"
> 
> IN RFC 433 (December 1972) he confidently announces himself as "The czar 
> of socket numbers."
> 
> In practice, outright czarship gave way as Joyce Reynolds took on 
> greater responsibility, and that evidently happened well before the term 
> IANA appeared in print.
> 
> Craig Simon
> 
>> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the
>> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs
>> in RFC 1069 (1990).
>> 
>> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>>> 
>>> Craig Simon
>>> 
>>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>>> protocols only.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:24:11 +0100
> From: Eric Gade <eric.gade at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
> To: cls at rkey.com
> Cc: internet-history at postel.org
> Message-ID: <BANLkTingNVz9v0zWexS635QYiN-hnXbyxQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Just as an aside on the 'czar' language, I've come across a very early hard
> copy draft of domain requirements (from 1982) where 'czar of domains' is
> crossed out by hand and replaced with 'registrar of domains'
> 
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Craig Simon <cls at rkey.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pointing out the earliest institutional reference to IANA in print is
>> problematic since RFC 1069 lists a publication date of February 1989, while
>> RFC 1083, though later in sequence, indicates publication in December 1988
>> and refers to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, but not the IANA
>> acronym. Tedious stuff.
>> 
>> The Wikipedia entry does list one of the most important RFCs in that
>> history... RFC 349 from May 1972, which starts, "I propose that there be a
>> czar (me ?) who hands out official socket numbers for use by standard
>> protocols"
>> 
>> IN RFC 433 (December 1972) he confidently announces himself as "The czar of
>> socket numbers."
>> 
>> In practice, outright czarship gave way as Joyce Reynolds took on greater
>> responsibility, and that evidently happened well before the term IANA
>> appeared in print.
>> 
>> Craig Simon
>> 
>> 
>> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the
>>> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs
>>> in RFC 1069 (1990).
>>> 
>>> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Craig Simon
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>>>> protocols only.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> At some point, after August 1996 but probably before 1998, the 
> http://www.isi.edu/iana web page (this was before HTTP V1.1 eliminated 
> the need for one IP per website) stated that 'the IANA is chartered by 
> the Internet Society'.
> 
> Does anyone have any further information on this?
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2011 03:53 PM, Craig Simon wrote:
>> Pointing out the earliest institutional reference to IANA in print is
>> problematic since RFC 1069 lists a publication date of February 1989,
>> while RFC 1083, though later in sequence, indicates publication in
>> December 1988 and refers to the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, but
>> not the IANA acronym. Tedious stuff.
>> 
>> The Wikipedia entry does list one of the most important RFCs in that
>> history... RFC 349 from May 1972, which starts, "I propose that there be
>> a czar (me ?) who hands out official socket numbers for use by standard
>> protocols"
>> 
>> IN RFC 433 (December 1972) he confidently announces himself as "The czar
>> of socket numbers."
>> 
>> In practice, outright czarship gave way as Joyce Reynolds took on
>> greater responsibility, and that evidently happened well before the term
>> IANA appeared in print.
>> 
>> Craig Simon
>> 
>>> I went through the RFC series looking for IANA in order to get the
>>> timeline correct on Wikipedia. First mention of the term "IANA" occurs
>>> in RFC 1069 (1990).
>>> 
>>> RFC 433 was the first output from the registration function I could find.
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority
>>>> 
>>>> Craig Simon
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/1/11 9:19 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>>>> protocols only.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jmamodio at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 22:02:47 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 00:02:47 -0500
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <20110409023603.58BC118C0FC@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
References: <20110409023603.58BC118C0FC@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=21OxuvpZNdR_C=33mbPW_D1wAvw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Noel, et all,

> Anyway, as far as I know that's what produced the interest in having a set
> of rules that made us relatively safe from liability, as well as an angel
> body overhead to 'shield' us as individuals, hold insurance, etc, etc. I
> do not recall the Denmark meeting you speak of, but I am pretty sure that
> that would have been later.

Yes it was later and the plan to establish the "shield" was already in
motion. The event was the very first conference with the Inet format,
it was called Inet'91 and took place in Copenhagen Denmark on June 18,
1991, the previous week we had a workshop for developing countries.
I'm not sure if some of the information that was available on-line has
been archived in some place, I have an old email from Juha Heinanen
with a draft program for Inet'91 (UNI-C was the host and a major
sponsor).

Besides the main agenda, there were many meetings going on in
parallel, among them it was the first time that many networking
players in Latin America sat together to talk, obviously we didn't
reach any consensus :-).

At one of those meetings/hall conversations, I remember Vint
explaining the plan to launch ISOC and how the strategy was developed
to create an umbrella organization to provide an institutional
framework, deal as you said with liabilities/insurance, and somehow
give provide some support to Jon's work as IANA.

In August 1991, Vint circulated an e-mail (I've a copy of it) with a
brief description of ISOC, the announcement and an invitation to join
ISOC,

In that message, Vint included an appendix with "A Brief History of
the Internet and Related Networks", and there one of the paragraphs
said about IANA:

"The recording of identifiers is provided by the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority (IANA) who has delegated one part of this
responsibility to an Internet Registry which acts as a central
repository for Internet information and which provides central
allocation of network and autonomous system identifiers, in some cases
to subsidiary registries located in various countries. The Internet
Registry (IR) also provides central maintenance of the Domain Name
System (DNS) root database which points to subsidiary distributed DNS
servers replicated throughout the Internet. The DNS distributed
database is used, interalia, to associate host and network names with
their Internet addresses and is critical to the operation of the
higher level TCP/IP protocols including electronic mail."

ISOC was not yet organized, and we had to respond directly to Vint to
become members.

Later ISOC was officially launched on June 15, 1992.

If somebody is interested in a copy of Vint's ISOC message (it was not
a private communication so I guess Vint will not object) I can copy it
to the list, it may help also to keep that piece of history archived
somewhere else.

Regards
Jorge


From vint at google.com  Sat Apr  9 03:20:57 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 06:20:57 -0400
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=21OxuvpZNdR_C=33mbPW_D1wAvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76ec09f2e5ed39a136b155df20ec38e2@mail.gmail.com>

No objections! But wasn't ISOC officially launced in january 1992? V

----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Amodio [mailto:jmamodio at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 01:02 AM
To: Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Cc: internet-history at postel.org <internet-history at postel.org>
Subject: Re: [ih] Very early days of the IANA

Hi Noel, et all,

> Anyway, as far as I know that's what produced the interest in having a
set
> of rules that made us relatively safe from liability, as well as an
angel
> body overhead to 'shield' us as individuals, hold insurance, etc, etc. I
> do not recall the Denmark meeting you speak of, but I am pretty sure
that
> that would have been later.

Yes it was later and the plan to establish the "shield" was already in
motion. The event was the very first conference with the Inet format,
it was called Inet'91 and took place in Copenhagen Denmark on June 18,
1991, the previous week we had a workshop for developing countries.
I'm not sure if some of the information that was available on-line has
been archived in some place, I have an old email from Juha Heinanen
with a draft program for Inet'91 (UNI-C was the host and a major
sponsor).

Besides the main agenda, there were many meetings going on in
parallel, among them it was the first time that many networking
players in Latin America sat together to talk, obviously we didn't
reach any consensus :-).

At one of those meetings/hall conversations, I remember Vint
explaining the plan to launch ISOC and how the strategy was developed
to create an umbrella organization to provide an institutional
framework, deal as you said with liabilities/insurance, and somehow
give provide some support to Jon's work as IANA.

In August 1991, Vint circulated an e-mail (I've a copy of it) with a
brief description of ISOC, the announcement and an invitation to join
ISOC,

In that message, Vint included an appendix with "A Brief History of
the Internet and Related Networks", and there one of the paragraphs
said about IANA:

"The recording of identifiers is provided by the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority (IANA) who has delegated one part of this
responsibility to an Internet Registry which acts as a central
repository for Internet information and which provides central
allocation of network and autonomous system identifiers, in some cases
to subsidiary registries located in various countries. The Internet
Registry (IR) also provides central maintenance of the Domain Name
System (DNS) root database which points to subsidiary distributed DNS
servers replicated throughout the Internet. The DNS distributed
database is used, interalia, to associate host and network names with
their Internet addresses and is critical to the operation of the
higher level TCP/IP protocols including electronic mail."

ISOC was not yet organized, and we had to respond directly to Vint to
become members.

Later ISOC was officially launched on June 15, 1992.

If somebody is interested in a copy of Vint's ISOC message (it was not
a private communication so I guess Vint will not object) I can copy it
to the list, it may help also to keep that piece of history archived
somewhere else.

Regards
Jorge


From jmamodio at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 06:12:51 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:12:51 -0500
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <76ec09f2e5ed39a136b155df20ec38e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTi=21OxuvpZNdR_C=33mbPW_D1wAvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<76ec09f2e5ed39a136b155df20ec38e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikYiBa64kJE_m=Dfh=FnyXw9GEtYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> No objections! But wasn't ISOC officially launced in january 1992? V

On Jan 2, 1992, you sent a message with an status update saying that
ISOC passed a major milestone and that the initial charter was
approved by RARE, EDUCOM and CNRI, and that the Board of Trustees
meeting was planned for June during Inet 92 in Kobe.

On the paperwork, the bylaws said:

>                                   ARTICLE II
>                         INITIAL PERIOD OF OPERATIONS
>
>   Section 1.  These By-Laws shall be interpreted, and the activities of the
>Society pursuant to its Articles of Incorporation and these By-Laws shall
>be conducted, as far as practicable, to preserve the continuity of the
>operations of the Society from the time it was previously established and
>operating in a form of organization not involving incorporation as a
>separate entity.
>
>   Section 2.  The Society's "Initial Period of Operations," which is referred
>to elsewhere in these By-Laws, shall be for a period of three years from
>June 15, 1992.

I'll go ahead and send both messages to the list so they can get archived.

Cheers
Jorge


From vint at google.com  Sat Apr  9 06:26:13 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:26:13 -0400
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikYiBa64kJE_m=Dfh=FnyXw9GEtYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2dafba1452a6c7240929f62b73ffaa4f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks jorge!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Amodio [mailto:jmamodio at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 09:12 AM
To: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
Cc: internet-history at postel.org <internet-history at postel.org>
Subject: Re: [ih] Very early days of the IANA

On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> No objections! But wasn't ISOC officially launced in january 1992? V

On Jan 2, 1992, you sent a message with an status update saying that
ISOC passed a major milestone and that the initial charter was
approved by RARE, EDUCOM and CNRI, and that the Board of Trustees
meeting was planned for June during Inet 92 in Kobe.

On the paperwork, the bylaws said:

>                                   ARTICLE II
>                         INITIAL PERIOD OF OPERATIONS
>
>   Section 1.  These By-Laws shall be interpreted, and the activities of
the
>Society pursuant to its Articles of Incorporation and these By-Laws shall
>be conducted, as far as practicable, to preserve the continuity of the
>operations of the Society from the time it was previously established and
>operating in a form of organization not involving incorporation as a
>separate entity.
>
>   Section 2.  The Society's "Initial Period of Operations," which is
referred
>to elsewhere in these By-Laws, shall be for a period of three years from
>June 15, 1992.

I'll go ahead and send both messages to the list so they can get archived.

Cheers
Jorge


From jmamodio at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 06:33:07 2011
From: jmamodio at gmail.com (Jorge Amodio)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 08:33:07 -0500
Subject: [ih] Msg from Vint inviting to join ISOC (Was Re: Very early days
 of the IANA)
Message-ID: <BANLkTin3YfWqEbCL4Fweg6Qv8rMF0cKLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here are Vint's messages announcing and inviting to join ISOC and the
status update.

BTW, as far as I remember and from other records things started moving
right away after Inet'91, by the end of the year Tony Rutkowski was
already "Chair of Editorial Boards" (whatever that title meant those
days) working with John Quarterman and many others to produce the
first ISOC newsletter.

Regards
Jorge
-------------- next part --------------
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 20:17:27 -0400
From: vcerf at NRI.Reston.VA.US
Subject: Internet Society Information
To: lacwe-l at BRFAPESP.BITNET, lacws-l at BRFAPESP.BITNET
Cc: isoc at NRI.Reston.VA.US
Message-Id: <9108302017.aa23701 at NRI.NRI.Reston.VA.US>
X-Envelope-To: PETE at ATINA.AR
Status: RO

At the recommendation of Tadao Takahashi, I am sending`
the attached Internet Society information for your
consideration.

Sincerely,

Vint Cerf



            THE INTERNET SOCIETY



                  Abstract

The purpose of this document is to provide a brief
description of the Internet Society and its goals and
objectives. It will function as a professional society to
facilitate, support and promote the evolution and growth of
the Internet as a global research communications
infrastructure. The suggestions and recommendations of all
parties interested in the Internet are solicited to assist in
making the Internet Society robust, productive and
structured to meet the needs of its members.


The Internet Society

The Internet, is a collection of cooperating, interconnected,
multiprotocol networks which supports international
collaboration among thousands of organizations. Because
of its current scope and rapid rate of growth, the Internet
will benefit from a more organized framework to support
its objectives. To this end, an Internet Society is being
formed to foster the voluntary interconnection of computer
networks into a global research and development
communications and information infrastructure. The
Internet Society will not operate the Internet. Internet
operation will continue to be a collaborative activity which
the Society will seek to facilitate. The Society will provide
assistance and support to groups and organizations
involved in the use, operation and evolution of the Internet.
It will provide support for forums in which technical and
operational questions can be discussed and provide
mechanisms through which interested parties can be
informed and educated about the Internet, its function,
use, operation and the interests of its constituents.


Membership

The Internet Society will be a membership organization
with voting individual members and non-voting
institutional members. There will be several classes of
institutional members. The society will produce a
newsletter on a regular basis and hold an annual meeting
to which all members and other interested parties will be
invited. The topics of the annual meeting will vary, but are
expected to focus on current research in networking,
Internet functionality and growth, and other interests of
the Society constituency. All members will receive the
newsletter and an invitation to attend the annual meeting
of the Internet Society.

Membership dues will vary according to class of
membership. The amounts of these dues and the basis on
which they are set will be determined by the Board of
Trustees of the Society and may be revised from time to
time as set forth in the By-Laws.

Charter

The Society will be a non-profit organization and will be
operated for academic, educational, charitable and
scientific purposes among which are:

     A.   To facilitate and support the technical
          evolution of the Internet as a research and
          education infrastructure and to stimulate
          involvement of the academic, scientific and
          engineering communities, among others in the
          evolution of the Internet.

     B.   To educate the academic and scientific
          communities and the public concerning the
          technology, use and application of the
          Internet.

     C.   To promote scientific and educational
          applications of Internet technology for the
          benefit of educational institutions at all grade
          levels, industry and the public at large.

     D.   To provide a forum for exploration of new
          Internet applications and to foster
          collaboration among organizations in their
          operation and use of the Internet.


Activities of the Society

a. Support for Internet Technical Evolution

The Internet Activities Board (IAB) has been concerned
with the development and evolution of architectures
supporting the use of multiple protocols in a networked
environment. The Internet Society will incorporate the IAB
and its functions into the operation of the Internet Society.
The Internet Society will work with other interested
organizations to support and assist efforts to evolve the
multiprotocol Internet. The Internet Society will use the
Internet Engineering and Research Task Forces to
stimulate networking research and facilitate the evolution
of the TCP/IP protocol suite and the integration of new
protocol suites (e.g. OSI) into the Internet architecture.
The Internet Society will work actively with parties and
organizations interested in fostering improvement in the
utility of the Internet for its constituent users.

b. Meetings and Conferences

Internet Society will convene an annual meeting and will
organize and facilitate workshops and symposia, jointly
with other organizations where appropriate, on specific
topics of interest to the Society membership. The annual
meeting will address issues of global and regional
importance to the evolution and growth of the Internet. In
particular, future INET conferences will be incorporated
into the Society's annual meetings.

c. Information and Infrastructure Services

The Internet Society will publish an Internet Newsletter
providing members with information about the
international activities of Internet constituents. In
addition, the Society will also provide assistance to and
support for organizations responsible for maintaining the
databases crucial to Internet function (e.g. the Domain
Name System, X.500 Directory Services, etc.) and
organizations concerned with the security of the Internet
(e.g. the Software Engineering Institute Computer
Emergency Response Team (CERT) and its CERT-System).
The Society will assist in the development of educational,
advisory and informative materials of use to Society
members. Where appropriate, the Society will organize or
support activities which aid in the coordination among the
organizations operating components of the Internet.

The Society will refer members to appropriate parties
involved in operating the various parts of the Internet
where they may be helpful with specific questions. Where
possible, the Society would seek to provide access to its
information on-line, but would also offer hard copy and,
perhaps eventually, CD-ROM-based information resources.

Plans

The initial organizers of the Internet Society include the
Corporation for National Research Initiatives (CNRI),
EDUCOM and the Internet Activities Board. During the
six month period from June - December 1991, the
organizers will work with interested parties to prepare for
beginning operation of the Society by the end of 1991.
Computer networking has become a critical infrastructure
for the research and development community and has the
potential to become the basis for world-wide collaboration
and cooperation in every field of human endeavor. The
Internet Society will seek to solidify, enhance and
encourage further international collaborative networking.
Individuals joining the Society during its formation will
receive special recognition as Society pioneers and will
have the opportunity to shape the early agenda of Society
activities. Opportunities for organizational and
institutional participation are also available.

It is time. The technology is available. A global renaissance
of scientific and technical cooperation is at hand. You are
cordially invited to take part in an enterprise without
precedent and an adventure without boundary. The
Internet Society sets sail in January of 1992 on a voyage of
internetwork discovery. Will you be aboard?

                  APPENDIX
A Brief History of the Internet and Related Networks


Introduction

In 1973, the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects
Agency (DARPA) initiated a research program to
investigate techniques and technologies for interlinking
packet networks of various kinds. The objective was to
develop communication protocols which would allow
networked computers to communicate transparently across
multiple, linked packet networks. This was called the
Internetting project and the system of networks which
emerged from the research was known as the "Internet".
The system of protocols which was developed over the
course of this research effort became known as the TCP/IP
Protocol Suite, after the two initial protocols developed:
Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) and Internet Protocol
(IP).

In 1986, the U.S. National Science Foundation (NSF)
initiated the development of the NSFNET which, today,
provides a major backbone communication service for the
Internet. With its 45 megabit per second facilities, the
NSFNET carries on the order of 7 billion packets per
month between the networks it links. The National
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the
U.S. Department of Energy contributed additional
backbone facilities in the form of the NSINET and ESNET
respectively. In Europe, major international backbones
such as NORDUNET and others provide connectivity to
tens of thousands of computers on a large number of
networks. Commercial network providers in the U.S. and
Europe are beginning to offer Internet backbone and access
support on a competitive basis to any interested parties.

"Regional" support for the Internet is provided by various
consortium networks and "local" support is provided
through each of the research and educational institutions.
Within the United States, much of this support has come
from the federal and state governments, but a considerable
contribution has been made by industry. In Europe and
elsewhere, support arises from cooperative international
efforts and through national research organizations.
During the course of its evolution, particularly after 1989,
the Internet system began to integrate support for other
protocol suites into its basic networking fabric. The present
emphasis in the system is on multiprotocol interworking,
and in particular, with the integration of the Open Systems
Interconnection (OSI) protocols into the architecture.

Both public domain and commercial implementations of the
roughly 100 protocols of TCP/IP protocol suite became
available in the 1980's. During the early 1990's, OSI
protocol implementations also became available and, by the
end of 1990, the Internet has grown to include some 5,000
networks in over two dozen countries, serving over 315,000
host computers used by as many as 3,000,000 people.

Much of the support for the Internet community has come
from the U.S. Federal Government, since the Internet was
originally part of a federally-funded research program and,
subsequently, has become a major part of the U.S. research
infrastructure. During the late 1980s, however, the
population of Internet users and network constituents
expanded internationally and began to include commercial
facilities. Indeed, the bulk of the system today is made up
of private networking facilities in educational and research
institutions, businesses and in government organizations
across the globe.

The Coordinating Committee for Intercontinental Networks
(CCIRN), which was organized by the U.S. Federal
Networking Council (FNC) and the European Reseaux
Associees pour la Recherche Europeenne (RARE), plays an
important role in the coordination of plans for government-
sponsored research networking. CCIRN efforts have been
a stimulus for the support of international cooperation in
the Internet environment.


Internet Technical Evolution

Over its fifteen year history, the Internet has functioned as
a collaboration among cooperating parties. Certain key
functions have been critical for its operation, not the least
of which is the specification of the protocols by which the
components of the system operate. These were originally
developed in the DARPA research program mentioned
above, but in the last five or six years, this work has been
undertaken on a wider basis with support from
Government agencies in many countries, industry and the
academic community. The Internet Activities Board (IAB)
was created in 1983 to guide the evolution of the TCP/IP
Protocol Suite and to provide research advice to the
Internet community.

During the course of its existence, the IAB has reorganized
several times. It now has two primary components: the
Internet Engineering Task Force and the Internet
Research Task Force. The former has primary
responsibility for further evolution of the TCP/IP protocol
suite, its standardization with the concurrence of the IAB,
and the integration of other protocols into Internet
operation (e.g. the Open Systems Interconnection
protocols). The Internet Research Task Force continues to
organize and explore advanced concepts in networking
under the guidance of the Internet Activities Board and
with support from various government agencies.

A secretariat has been created to manage the day-to-day
function of the Internet Activities Board and Internet
Engineering Task Force. IETF meets three times a year in
plenary and its approximately 50 working groups convene
at intermediate times by electronic mail, teleconferencing
and at face-to-face meetings. The IAB meets quarterly face-
to-face or by videoconference and at intervening times by
telephone, electronic mail and computer-mediated
conferences.

Two other functions are critical to IAB operation:
publication of documents describing the Internet and the
assignment and recording of various identifiers needed for
protocol operation. Throughout the development of the
Internet, its protocols and other aspects of its operation
have been documented first in a series of documents called
Internet Experiment Notes and, later, in a series of
documents called Requests for Comment (RFCs). The latter
were used initially to document the protocols of the first
packet switching network developed by DARPA, the
ARPANET, beginning in 1969, and have become the
principal archive of information about the Internet. At
present, the publication function is provided by an RFC
editor.

The recording of identifiers is provided by the Internet
Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) who has delegated
one part of this responsibility to an Internet Registry
which acts as a central repository for Internet information
and which provides central allocation of network and
autonomous system identifiers, in some cases to subsidiary
registries located in various countries. The Internet
Registry (IR) also provides central maintenance of the
Domain Name System (DNS) root database which points to
subsidiary distributed DNS servers replicated throughout
the Internet. The DNS distributed database is used, inter
alia, to associate host and network names with their
Internet addresses and is critical to the operation of the
higher level TCP/IP protocols including electronic mail.

There are a number of Network Information Centers
(NICs) located throughout the Internet to serve its users
with documentation, guidance, advice and assistance. As
the Internet continues to grow internationally, the need for
high quality NIC functions increases. Although the initial
community of users of the Internet were drawn from the
ranks of computer science and engineering, its users now
comprise a wide range of disciplines in the sciences, arts,
letters, business, military and government administration.

Related Networks

In 1980-81, two other networking projects, BITNET and
CSNET, were initiated. BITNET adopted the IBM RSCS
protocol suite and featured direct leased line connections
between participating sites. Most of the original BITNET
connections linked IBM mainframes in university data
centers. This rapidly changed as protocol implementations
became available for other machines. From the beginning,
BITNET has been multi-disciplinary in nature with users
in all academic areas. It has also provided a number of
unique services to its users (e.g., LISTSERV). Today,
BITNET and its parallel networks in other parts of the
world (e.g., EARN in Europe) have several thousand
participating sites. In recent years, BITNET has
established a backbone which uses the TCP/IP protocols
with RSCS-based applications running above TCP.

CSNET was initially funded by the National Science
Foundation (NSF) to provide networking for university,
industry and government computer science research
groups. CSNET used the Phonenet MMDF protocol for
telephone-based electronic mail relaying and, in addition,
pioneered the first use of TCP/IP over X.25 using
commercial public data networks. The CSNET name server
provided an early example of a white pages directory
service and is still in use at numerous sites. At its peak,
CSNET had approximately 200 participating sites and
international connections to approximately fifteen
countries. Today, CSNET still provides services to a
number of industrial sites and small colleges.

In 1987, BITNET and CSNET merged to form the
Corporation for Research and Educational Networking
(CREN). A key feature of CREN and its predecessors is
that they were entirely dependent on voluntary user fees;
BITNET from the beginning and CSNET after the
expiration of its initial five year NSF grant.




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                   MEMBERSHIP IN THE INTERNET SOCIETY

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A Founding Member of the Internet Society is any corporation or other organizati
   on
which provides a minimum level of financial support for the Society of U.S.$10,0
   00
per year for the two year period 1992 & 1993, and maintains a continuing member-
ship thereafter.


 Regular Members

Regular membership in the Internet Society is available to corporations or other
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    to its
success. The regular dues for 1992 have been established at the level of
U.S. $10,000.


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agencies, and organizations having equivalent status in other countries, are eli
   gible for
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   ry
Council of the Internet Society, which will meet at least once a year, and which
    will be
charged with advising the Board of Trustees on matters of special concern to cor
   porate
and institutional members, as well as on other issues of interest to the Society
   .

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   vote on
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To: membership:;
Cc: isoc-interest at relay.sgi.com, ietf at isi.edu, iab at isi.edu,
        iesg at NRI.Reston.VA.US, jif at isi.edu, tcp-ip at nic.ddn.mil,
        isoc at NRI.Reston.VA.US
Subject: Internet Society Status
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 92 18:03:38 -0500
From: isoc at NRI.Reston.VA.US
Message-Id:  <9201021803.aa00106 at NRI.NRI.Reston.VA.US>
Status: RO

Dear Internet Society members (and friends),

I thought you would like to know that the Internet Society has
passed a major milestone. The Charter members (RARE, EDUCOM and
CNRI) have approved the initial Charter which is attached. This
approval starts a process by which the Society will become fully
functional over the next several months. 

A more complete Board of Trustees will be assembled and ratified
by the initial Board. This bootstrapping process will be replaced
by election of Board members by the individual members of the
Internet Society, beginning late in 1992. 

The Board will also assemble and ratify initial officers who will
serve until the standard procedures for creating officers can be
invoked. 

The Board of Trustees is expected to meet in June, 1992, at Kobe,
Japan, during the INET92 conference to ratify the Charter below
(or a variant if there is indication that any amendments are needed).

Comments to isoc-interest at relay.sgi.com are welcome. Questions about
membership (individual or organizations) should go to isoc at nri.reston.va.us.

More information will be forthcoming over the next week or so.

Happy New Year to each of you.


Vint Cerf

---------------------------------------------------------



                   CHARTER OF INTERNET SOCIETY


     1.   Name
          
          The name of the Society is Internet Society ("the
Society").

     2.   Purposes

          The Society has been organized to be a nonprofit
organization which shall be operated exclusively for the following
educational, charitable and scientific purposes:

     A.  To facilitate and support the technical
evolution of the Internet as a research and education
infrastructure, and to stimulate the involvement of the
scientific community, industry, government and others
in the evolution of the Internet;  

     B.  To educate the scientific community, industry
and the public at large concerning the technology, use
and application of the Internet;

     C.  To promote educational applications of
Internet technology for the benefit of government,
colleges and universities, industry, and the public at
large;

     D.  To provide a forum for exploration of new
Internet applications, and to stimulate collaboration
among organizations in their operational use of the
global Internet.  

The Society shall take such actions as may be necessary or
convenient to effect any or all of the purposes for which the
Society is organized.

     3.   Board of Trustees

          The initial Board of Trustees of the Society are the
following individuals, namely, Juergen Harms, Robert E. Kahn and
Kenneth M. King.

     4.   Restrictions

          No part of the net earnings of the Society, if any,
shall inure to the benefit of, or be distributable to, any of the
Trustees or officers of the Society, or any other person, except
that the Society shall be authorized and empowered to pay
reasonable compensation for services rendered.  No substantial
part of the activities of the Society shall be the carrying on of
propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation. 
The Society shall not participate in, or intervene in (including
the publishing or distributing of statements), any political
campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office.

     5.   Dissolution

          Upon any liquidation, dissolution, or winding up of the
Society, after all of its liabilities and obligations have been
paid, satisfied and discharged, or adequate provision has been
made therefor, all of the assets of the Society (if any) shall be
distributed exclusively for such educational, charitable and
scientific purposes as the Board of Trustees (or such other
persons as may be in charge of liquidation) shall determine.

     6.   Amendment

          The Charter may be amended by the affirmative vote of
at least four-fifths of the members of the Board of Trustees then
in office, except that unanimous consent of the members of the
Board of Trustees then in office shall be required for any
amendment of Article 4 or of Article 5 above or of this Article
6.

     This Charter has been adopted by the initial Board of
Trustees of the Society.


                                                              
                              Juergen Harms   
                                   December 24, 1991

                                                              
                              Robert E. Kahn  
                                   December 16, 1991

                                                              
                              Kenneth M. King 
                                   December 16, 1991


From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Sat Apr  9 09:32:17 2011
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Sat,  9 Apr 2011 12:32:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
Message-ID: <20110409163217.6A02318C107@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: Jorge Amodio <jmamodio at gmail.com>

    >> I do not recall the Denmark meeting you speak of, but I am pretty sure
    >> that that would have been later.

    > Yes it was later and the plan to establish the "shield" was already in
    > motion.

I dug around in my files and found the earlier paperwork pretty easily. I have
found a moderate-sized trove of documents, covering a series of meetings,
including 'sign-in' sheets for some.

(I know this isn't really what this thread is about, but I wanted to put this
all on record while I'm thinking about it.)

The lead attorney at H+D Washington working on this was Geoffrey Stewart
(sorry I forgot your name, Geoff!), with assistance from David Sylvester.


There were a series of meetings through the fall and early winter of 1989 on
related topics, all spawned by the initial 'how to get vendors to fix bugs'
thing.

There was an "IAB/IESG Liability Meeting" (as it was called on the agenda
aheet, although only myself, Vint, Phill, Geoff and Scott Bradner were listed
as attending) on October 26, 1989, and that one includes the 'Standards Group
Liabilty' as an agenda bullet - I suspect that's the meeting where I remember
Vint's consternation from! I have a copy of a note prepared after the meeting
which summarizes the content of the meeting, and lists action items; I don't
know who prepared it, but it seems to have been either Phill or Scott. The
action items include preparation of the memos listed below, and also one on
standards body liability - I think the effort forked at that point, with bugs
on one, and potential I* liability on the other.

There was a meeting (I have a hand-written sign-in sheet for this one) of an
"Ad-Hoc Liability WG" on Nov 29, 1989 attended by Vint, Geoff, Scott, Jeff
Schiller, Greg Vaudreil, David Sylvestre, and Phill. I don't seem to have
anything else on that one.

Finally, there was a meeting (again, a hand-written sign-in sheet) on December
14, 1989, which might actually have been the one at which the group of analytic
memos I spoke of in a previous message was distributed. The attendees were
Geoff, Craig Patridge, Ed DeHart, Rich Pethia, Scott, me, Jeff, David, Greg and
Phill.


Somehow the CERT seems to have gotten roped in by that point (which makes some
sense, since it was set up to deal with security problems), since the group of
analytic memos (4 of them, bound into a big book) speak of the CERT; the cover
memo is also addressed to "Members of the IESG". The four memos in the packet
are:

- Libabilities of Software Manufacturers For Failure to Correct Deficiencies in
Software After Notification by The CERT

- Libabilities of Computer Services Providers For Failure to Correct Security
Deficiencies in Software After Notification by The CERT

- Potential Libabilities of The CERT Arising From Notification to Manufacturers
and Users of Security Deficiencies in Software

- Potential Libabilities of Persons Who Report Possible Security Deficiencies
in Software to The CERT

They were distributed at a meeting which might have been on November 29, 1989
(so claims the cover memo), but it might have been the December 14 meeting, as
I see that meeting includes some CERT people. Or perhaps there were two
meetings?

Alas, my memory (that I paid for this) is incorrect, so I can't confirm if
there was a November 29, meeting. I carefully checked my Hale+Dorr bills from
then, but Geoff didn't charge any hours, so it must have been pro bono work by
H+D.

	Noel


From craig at aland.bbn.com  Sat Apr  9 09:35:36 2011
From: craig at aland.bbn.com (Craig Partridge)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:35:36 -0400
Subject: [ih] Very early days of the IANA
Message-ID: <20110409163536.7FF7928E137@aland.bbn.com>

> I have some memories to contribute that go back a bit further.
> 
> There was an ad-hoc discussion at a speaker's meal (no idea if it was
> breakfast or lunch) at an Interop in San Jose (sorry, don't remember which
> one, but it was one of the first ones), and IIRC I think the participants
> included me, Craig Patridge (definitely), Phill Gross (likely), Vint
> (possibly) and Scott Bradner (possibly). The topic was how to get
> manufacturers to actually fix security bugs, and we discussed the
> possibility of using liability issues to light a fire under them. (As in,
> the manufacturer is notified of a bug, they don't move expeditiously to
> fix it, someone suffers losses as a result of a breakin which uses it,
> then the manufacturer might be liable for losses as a result.)
> 
> I had an existing relationship with someone at the Washington office of
> Hale and Dorr (at that point, the law firm I was using) whose name I
> cannot remember since I'm tired (I can trivially look it up if it's
> important), which I had formed through using them to put together a
> sentencing memo for the court in the RTM 'worm' case. I volunteered to
> have them look into the issue.
> 
> Hale and Dorr promptly produced a fairly good-sized tome (which I can
> probably locate a copy of, if it's important) on liability issues, and
> they then raised the issue of _standards body_ liability. It was a kind of
> 'good news - bad news' thing, in that standards body members (especially
> of an ad-hoc group like the IETF) as individuals _could_ be liable... but
> there were some fairly easy steps we could take (and there's a famous case
> involving, IIRC, boiler-making standards to set precedent) to make us
> pretty immune. (Not against a suit being filed, since you can't stop that,
> but against losing such a suit.)
> 
> This was all revealed to a group of us (including me, Vint (pretty
> definitely), Scott Bradner (possibly), and a few others) at the Washington
> offices of Hale and Dorr. The notion that we all could be personally
> liable was something of a shock - I remember fairly vividly the expression
> on Vint's face, and his verbal reaction, when that sunk in!

I remember being in that room in DC.

As I recall the meeting actually had two parts.  There was still some
discussion of the RTM case (sentencing was to happen soon) and the
liability discussion.  Scott B. and I had to recuse ourselves from the
RTM discussion (as we were friends of RTM).  Robert was sentenced in May
of 1990 (according to the New York Times) so the meeting had to be at least
several weeks before.

Thanks!

Craig


From vint at google.com  Sun Apr 10 13:10:34 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:10:34 -0400
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>

I think we called jon the "numbers czar" until he adopted the IANA rubric.

v

On 4/8/11, Bob Braden <braden at isi.edu> wrote:
>
>>>> On a website recently I saw a reference to the IANA pre-dating the
>>>> Domain Name System -- that is, incredibly, that it was created in the
>>>> early to mid 70s, when of course the DNS arrived in the early 80s
>>>> following the ARPAnet split, and its original job was numbering and
>>>> protocols only.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any material relating to the pre-naming existence of
>>>> the IANA and its acquisition of naming related functions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> Yes.
>
> I would agree that RFC 204 was the first published manifestation of Jon
> Postel's self-appointed
> role of registering protocol parameters for the ARPAnet (and later the
> Internet). Of course, he
> could not be the  IANA before there was an Internet... he would have
> been called the AANA?
> Jon started writing down numeric values in a notebook, probably more
> than a year before
> RFC 204.  Steve Crocker would probably recall.
>
> Bob Braden
>
>
>


From braden at isi.edu  Sun Apr 10 13:20:59 2011
From: braden at isi.edu (Bob Braden)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:20:59 -0700
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu>

On 4/10/2011 1:10 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
> I think we called jon the "numbers czar" until he adopted the IANA rubric.
>
Vint,

Absolutely true. That was paired with the title "protocol czar", Jon's 
other honorary title :-))

BTW, you can probably recall when Jon began to write down ARPAnet 
protocol numbers in his notebook...

Bob

> v




From el at lisse.na  Sun Apr 10 13:51:05 2011
From: el at lisse.na (Dr Eberhard W Lisse)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:51:05 +0100
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu>
Message-ID: <4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>

Now it just remains to be revealed when he became the Address Czar :-))))-O

el

On 4/10/11 9:20 PM, Bob Braden wrote:
> On 4/10/2011 1:10 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
>> I think we called jon the "numbers czar" until he adopted the IANA
>> rubric.
>>
> Vint,
> 
> Absolutely true. That was paired with the title "protocol czar", Jon's
> other honorary title :-))
> 
> BTW, you can probably recall when Jon began to write down ARPAnet
> protocol numbers in his notebook...
> 
> Bob
> 
>> v
> 

-- 
Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        /      Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
el at lisse.NA            / *     | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
PO Box 8421             \     / Please do NOT email to this address
Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/      if it is DNS related in ANY way


From vint at google.com  Sun Apr 10 14:27:01 2011
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:27:01 -0400
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu> <4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>
Message-ID: <BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>

addresses ARE numbers .

v


On 4/10/11, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
> Now it just remains to be revealed when he became the Address Czar :-))))-O
>
> el
>
> On 4/10/11 9:20 PM, Bob Braden wrote:
>> On 4/10/2011 1:10 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>> I think we called jon the "numbers czar" until he adopted the IANA
>>> rubric.
>>>
>> Vint,
>>
>> Absolutely true. That was paired with the title "protocol czar", Jon's
>> other honorary title :-))
>>
>> BTW, you can probably recall when Jon began to write down ARPAnet
>> protocol numbers in his notebook...
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>> v
>>
>
> --
> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        /      Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
> el at lisse.NA            / *     | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
> PO Box 8421             \     / Please do NOT email to this address
> Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/      if it is DNS related in ANY way
>


From el at lisse.na  Sun Apr 10 14:28:24 2011
From: el at lisse.na (Dr Eberhard W Lisse)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:28:24 +0100
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu>	<4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>
	<BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>

Vint,

I know that, should we instead look for Domain Czar?

el

On 4/10/11 10:27 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
> addresses ARE numbers .
> 
> v
> 
> 
> On 4/10/11, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>> Now it just remains to be revealed when he became the Address Czar :-))))-O
>>
>> el
>>
>> On 4/10/11 9:20 PM, Bob Braden wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2011 1:10 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>>> I think we called jon the "numbers czar" until he adopted the IANA
>>>> rubric.
>>>>
>>> Vint,
>>>
>>> Absolutely true. That was paired with the title "protocol czar", Jon's
>>> other honorary title :-))
>>>
>>> BTW, you can probably recall when Jon began to write down ARPAnet
>>> protocol numbers in his notebook...
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>> v
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        /      Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
>> el at lisse.NA            / *     | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
>> PO Box 8421             \     / Please do NOT email to this address
>> Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/      if it is DNS related in ANY way
>>

-- 
Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        /      Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
el at lisse.NA            / *     | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
PO Box 8421             \     / Please do NOT email to this address
Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/      if it is DNS related in ANY way


From eric.gade at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 15:03:24 2011
From: eric.gade at gmail.com (Eric Gade)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:03:24 +0100
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu> <4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>
	<BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>
Message-ID: <BANLkTiko721PEQ6MA0Sa-i+gd7Wd3xv0NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jake Feinler's NIC collection at the CHM has a draft domains document from
1982 where Postel refers to himself as the czar of domains.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:

> Vint,
>
> I know that, should we instead look for Domain Czar?
>
> el
>
> On 4/10/11 10:27 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
> > addresses ARE numbers .
> >
> > v
> >
> >
> > On 4/10/11, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
> >> Now it just remains to be revealed when he became the Address Czar
> :-))))-O
> >>
> >> el
> >>
> >> On 4/10/11 9:20 PM, Bob Braden wrote:
> >>> On 4/10/2011 1:10 PM, Vint Cerf wrote:
> >>>> I think we called jon the "numbers czar" until he adopted the IANA
> >>>> rubric.
> >>>>
> >>> Vint,
> >>>
> >>> Absolutely true. That was paired with the title "protocol czar", Jon's
> >>> other honorary title :-))
> >>>
> >>> BTW, you can probably recall when Jon began to write down ARPAnet
> >>> protocol numbers in his notebook...
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>> v
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        /      Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
> >> el at lisse.NA            / *     | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
> >> PO Box 8421             \     / Please do NOT email to this address
> >> Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/      if it is DNS related in ANY way
> >>
>
> --
> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse  \        /      Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
> el at lisse.NA            / *     | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)
> PO Box 8421             \     / Please do NOT email to this address
> Bachbrecht, Namibia     ;____/      if it is DNS related in ANY way
>



-- 
Eric
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From: el at lisse.na (Dr Eberhard W Lisse)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:48:58 +0100
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTiko721PEQ6MA0Sa-i+gd7Wd3xv0NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu>	<4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>	<BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>	<4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>
	<BANLkTiko721PEQ6MA0Sa-i+gd7Wd3xv0NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DA233DA.4000800@lisse.na>

Eric, Jake,

would you be able to pass the URL on?

greetings, el

On 4/10/11 11:03 PM, Eric Gade wrote:
> Jake Feinler's NIC collection at the CHM has a draft domains document
> from 1982 where Postel refers to himself as the czar of domains.
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
> <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
>
>     Vint,
>
>     I know that, should we instead look for Domain Czar?
>
>     el


From adrian at creative.net.au  Sun Apr 10 15:52:59 2011
From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:52:59 +0800
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu> <4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>
	<BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>
Message-ID: <20110410225259.GA17084@skywalker.creative.net.au>

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
> Vint,
> 
> I know that, should we instead look for Domain Czar?

domains are just variable-length numbers..



Adrian



From eric.gade at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 15:59:12 2011
From: eric.gade at gmail.com (Eric Gade)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:59:12 +0100
Subject: [ih] internet-history Digest, Vol 52, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4DA233DA.4000800@lisse.na>
References: <mailman.1.1302289200.12245.internet-history@postel.org>
	<4D9F6F0F.5080005@isi.edu>
	<BANLkTimBH0j8GNSjgVmnVEqkgaKJkQQSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA2112B.5070404@isi.edu> <4DA21839.5010803@lisse.na>
	<BANLkTinpguHWuaCfVGjLJsAAbN5FGmbdHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA220F8.7070808@lisse.na>
	<BANLkTiko721PEQ6MA0Sa-i+gd7Wd3xv0NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DA233DA.4000800@lisse.na>
Message-ID: <BANLkTin=84Mkeea=TXyKoiMe52Z=0a5t9w@mail.gmail.com>

There's no URL. It was a hard printed copy of an email. There is a large
stash of things like that in this collection.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:

> Eric, Jake,
>
> would you be able to pass the URL on?
>
> greetings, el
>
> On 4/10/11 11:03 PM, Eric Gade wrote:
> > Jake Feinler's NIC collection at the CHM has a draft domains document
> > from 1982 where Postel refers to himself as the czar of domains.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
> > <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
> >
> >     Vint,
> >
> >     I know that, should we instead look for Domain Czar?
> >
> >     el
>



-- 
Eric
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From dot at dotat.at  Thu Apr 14 06:00:31 2011
From: dot at dotat.at (Tony Finch)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:00:31 +0100
Subject: [ih] INWG #96
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141359430.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Is INWG note #96 available online anywhere?

Tony.
-- 
f.anthony.n.finch  <dot at dotat.at>  http://dotat.at/
Rockall, Malin, Hebrides: South 5 to 7, occasionally gale 8 at first in
Rockall and Malin, veering west or northwest 4 or 5, then backing southwest 5
or 6 later. Rough or very rough. Occasional rain. Moderate or good,
occasionally poor.


From matthias at baerwolff.de  Thu Apr 14 07:11:53 2011
From: matthias at baerwolff.de (Matthias =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E4rwolff?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:11:53 +0200
Subject: [ih] INWG #96
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141359430.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>
References: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141359430.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20110414141152.GA4812@gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 02:00:31PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote:
> Is INWG note #96 available online anywhere?

I take it the following one is in the ACM Portal:

@article{cerf-et-al-1976-international-end-to-end,
 author = {Vinton Gray Cerf and McKenzie, Alexander Anderson and
Scantlebury, Roger A. and Zimmermann, Hubert},
 title = {Proposal for an International End to End Protocol},
 shorttitle = {INWG 96 End-to-End Protocol},
 journal = {ACM SIGCOMM Computer Communication Review},
 volume = {6},
 number = {1},
 year = {1976},
 month = jan,
 issn = {0146-4833},
 pages = {63--89},
 doi = {10.1145/1015828.1015832},
 publisher = {ACM},
 address = {New York, NY},
 xaddendum = {Earlier version of INWG Note 96, presented at Computer
Network Protocols Symposium, Liege, Belgium, February 1978},
 addendum = {Also published as INWG Note 96, July 1975},
 }

Contact me off list in case that doesn't work.

As for getting the real thing, I take it CBI will be happy to send you a
PDF copy from their archives (at least that's how I got a couple of INWG
notes last year). They charge a little bit for the effort but not much.

Matthias



> Tony.
-- 
Matthias B?rwolff
www.b?rwolff.de


From dot at dotat.at  Thu Apr 14 08:17:22 2011
From: dot at dotat.at (Tony Finch)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:17:22 +0100
Subject: [ih] INWG #96
In-Reply-To: <20110414141152.GA4812@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141359430.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>
	<20110414141152.GA4812@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141616120.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>

Matthias B?rwolff <matthias at baerwolff.de> wrote:
>
> I take it the following one is in the ACM Portal:

Ah yes, thanks. I am lucky enough to be behind the ACM's paywall.

Tony.
-- 
f.anthony.n.finch  <dot at dotat.at>  http://dotat.at/
Rockall, Malin, Hebrides: South 5 to 7, occasionally gale 8 at first in
Rockall and Malin, veering west or northwest 4 or 5, then backing southwest 5
or 6 later. Rough or very rough. Occasional rain. Moderate or good,
occasionally poor.

From richard at bennett.com  Thu Apr 14 13:50:40 2011
From: richard at bennett.com (Richard Bennett)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:50:40 -0700
Subject: [ih] INWG #96
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141616120.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>
References: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141359430.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>	<20110414141152.GA4812@gmail.com>
	<alpine.LSU.2.00.1104141616120.19442@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4DA75E20.9020907@bennett.com>

Interesting observation: "End-to-end protocols (often called 
"Host-Host"   protocols) are installed on top of the packet switching 
service to provide users with an interprocess communication facility."

No mention of INWG 39. They have well-known ports, concatenate ports 
with network addresses, and have user IDs. Network address is 32 bits, 
user ID plus port is another 16 bits. Sliding window, fragmentation, two 
modes that look a lot like UDP and TCP. Packets were small in those days.

On 4/14/2011 8:17 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
> Matthias B?rwolff<matthias at baerwolff.de>  wrote:
>> I take it the following one is in the ACM Portal:
> Ah yes, thanks. I am lucky enough to be behind the ACM's paywall.
>
> Tony.

-- 
Richard Bennett



From amckenzie3 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 15:54:48 2011
From: amckenzie3 at yahoo.com (Alex McKenzie)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ih] INWG #96
In-Reply-To: <4DA75E20.9020907@bennett.com>
Message-ID: <465898.26542.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

INWG 96 doesn't specifically mention INWG 39 because all the INWG members knew INWG 96 was a compromise/synthesis of INWG 39, INWG 61. and INWG 74.  See http://alexmckenzie.weebly.com/inwg-and-the-conception-of-the-internet-an-eyewitness-account.html for more details.

Regards,
Alex McKenzie

--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Richard Bennett <richard at bennett.com> wrote:

> From: Richard Bennett <richard at bennett.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] INWG #96
> To: internet-history at postel.org
> Date: Thursday, April 14, 2011, 4:50 PM
> Interesting observation: "End-to-end
> protocols (often called
> "Host-Host"???protocols) are installed on top
> of the packet switching service to provide users with an
> interprocess communication facility."
> 
> No mention of INWG 39. They have well-known ports,
> concatenate ports with network addresses, and have user IDs.
> Network address is 32 bits, user ID plus port is another 16
> bits. Sliding window, fragmentation, two modes that look a
> lot like UDP and TCP. Packets were small in those days.
> 
> On 4/14/2011 8:17 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
> > Matthias B?rwolff<matthias at baerwolff.de>?
> wrote:
> >> I take it the following one is in the ACM Portal:
> > Ah yes, thanks. I am lucky enough to be behind the
> ACM's paywall.
> > 
> > Tony.
> 
> -- Richard Bennett
> 
>