From spedraja at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 13:02:50 2008
From: spedraja at gmail.com (SPC)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:02:50 +0200
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <f7f1e0d30806041302w2f5c8fc4xc7434882d5b049e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.

I should agree if someone could provide me one copy of these documents
related with the Arpanet:

* BBN Report n.2184, "TIP Hardware Manual"
* BBN Report n.2161, "A Study of the ARPA Network Design and performance"

* BBN Technical Information Report (TIR) n.89, "The Interface Message
Processor Program"
* BBN Technical Information Report (TIR) n.90, "The Network Control Center
Program"
* BBN Technical Information Report (TIR) n.91, "The Terminal Interface

Message Processor Program"
* BBN Technical Information Report (TIR) n.93, "The Remote Job Entry
Mini-host"

* BBN Reports n.2999, 2930, 3000, 3001, 2931, 3002, 3004, 3056 and 3126, all
of them related with the Pluribus IMP.


* NIC 6740, "The Network Resource Notebook"
* NIC 7104, "ARPA Current Network Protocols"
* NIC internal/informal notes named "TIP Users Group Notes"

Thanks and Greetings
Sergio
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From lpress at csudh.edu  Wed Jun  4 14:10:52 2008
From: lpress at csudh.edu (Larry Press)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:10:52 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
References: <f7f1e0d30806041302w2f5c8fc4xc7434882d5b049e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>

Coincidentally, someone asked me earlier today whether I had a copy of the 
Arpanet Completion Report.

Are reports like these on line?  It seems obvious that they should be.

Larry Press 




From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Wed Jun  4 14:28:49 2008
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <20080604212849.11D2E6BE5E3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

Have you tried the BBN Library (or whatever they call it) for the BBN
documents?

Noel


From vint at google.com  Wed Jun  4 14:39:07 2008
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:39:07 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D83@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>

I don't think so. There were two versions. A long one by bbn which was somewhat biased towards bbnM and an arpa approved version, shorter but more neutral. V

----- Original Message -----
From: internet-history-bounces at postel.org <internet-history-bounces at postel.org>
To: SPC <spedraja at gmail.com>; internet-history at postel.org <internet-history at postel.org>
Sent: Wed Jun 04 14:10:52 2008
Subject: Re: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents

Coincidentally, someone asked me earlier today whether I had a copy of the 
Arpanet Completion Report.

Are reports like these on line?  It seems obvious that they should be.

Larry Press 





From touch at ISI.EDU  Wed Jun  4 15:03:19 2008
From: touch at ISI.EDU (Joe Touch)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:03:19 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
In-Reply-To: <0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>
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	<0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>
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Larry Press wrote:
> Coincidentally, someone asked me earlier today whether I had a copy of 
> the Arpanet Completion Report.
> 
> Are reports like these on line?  It seems obvious that they should be.

Project reports are often between project managers and their funding 
agencies. They may be accessible via the Freedom of Information Act, or 
voluntarily from the project managers, but aren't typically posted as 
public information.

Joe

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From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu  Wed Jun  4 15:07:12 2008
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Date: Wed,  4 Jun 2008 18:07:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <20080604220712.77B466BE5E5@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

    > From: "Larry Press" <lpress at csudh.edu>

    > a copy of the Arpanet Completion Report.

I have a copy of something called "A History of the ARPANET: The First
Decade" - that's not what you're asking about, is it?

    > Are reports like these on line? It seems obvious that they should be.

'should be' - would that mean 'I expect that they are, if we only knew where
to look', or 'in a just world, someone would have put them online'? :-)

	Noel



From vint at google.com  Wed Jun  4 15:35:09 2008
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:35:09 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D89@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>

Noel yes that is it

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Subject: Re: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents


    > From: "Larry Press" <lpress at csudh.edu>

    > a copy of the Arpanet Completion Report.

I have a copy of something called "A History of the ARPANET: The First
Decade" - that's not what you're asking about, is it?

    > Are reports like these on line? It seems obvious that they should be.

'should be' - would that mean 'I expect that they are, if we only knew where
to look', or 'in a just world, someone would have put them online'? :-)

	Noel




From spedraja at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 15:46:13 2008
From: spedraja at gmail.com (SPC)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:46:13 +0200
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
In-Reply-To: <f7f1e0d30806041531x20ebcf00o8a205acec18deb9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7f1e0d30806041302w2f5c8fc4xc7434882d5b049e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>
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Message-ID: <f7f1e0d30806041546p320ed1f1o634df80bcbc01652@mail.gmail.com>

There is another document really interesting and with a lot of technical
information not reflected at all later int the BBN 1763. I speak about the
original report from BBN named "Proposal: Interface Message Processors for
the Arpa Computer Network". It includes some documentation from Honeywell,
and is located in:

http://ia300241.us.archive.org/2/items/TheInterfaceMessageProcessorForTheArpaComputerNetwork/TheInterfaceMessageProcessorForTheArpaComputerNetwork.djvu

You must read it with the Djvu viewer located in http://www.lizardtech.com

I must clear that I'm searching all these documents for two reasons: I need
some of them to do my final work for my studies of History, and I am
thinking in develop one simulator of the Arpanet Imp (simulator, not
emulator) and its subnet for my Computing studies.

Thanks and Greetings
Sergio Pedraja
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From lpress at csudh.edu  Wed Jun  4 15:47:29 2008
From: lpress at csudh.edu (Larry Press)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:47:29 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
References: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D83@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>
Message-ID: <0c3001c8c694$f80e5f10$0801000a@bigportable>

>I don't think so. There were two versions. A long one by bbn which was 
>somewhat biased towards bbnM and an arpa approved version, shorter but more 
>neutral. V

I've got a Xerox copy of one by Heart, McKenzie, McQillan and Walden of 
BBN -- is that the long one?  (It is an executive summary followed by a 
"formal completion report" chapter and a history chapter).

Larry 




From lpress at csudh.edu  Wed Jun  4 15:48:30 2008
From: lpress at csudh.edu (Larry Press)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:48:30 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
References: <20080604220712.77B466BE5E5@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <0c3101c8c695$1c9c6f20$0801000a@bigportable>

> 'should be' - would that mean 'I expect that they are, if we only knew 
> where
> to look', or 'in a just world, someone would have put them online'? :-)

The latter.  Do folks like BBN and DARPA have archives?

Lar 




From spedraja at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 15:49:57 2008
From: spedraja at gmail.com (SPC)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:49:57 +0200
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
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One last appointment: this document is fault of some pages :-)

2008/6/5 SPC <spedraja at gmail.com>:

> There is another document really interesting and with a lot of technical
> information not reflected at all later int the BBN 1763. I speak about the
> original report from BBN named "Proposal: Interface Message Processors for
> the Arpa Computer Network". It includes some documentation from Honeywell,
> and is located in:
>
>
> http://ia300241.us.archive.org/2/items/TheInterfaceMessageProcessorForTheArpaComputerNetwork/TheInterfaceMessageProcessorForTheArpaComputerNetwork.djvu
>
> You must read it with the Djvu viewer located in http://www.lizardtech.com
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From craig at aland.bbn.com  Wed Jun  4 19:14:13 2008
From: craig at aland.bbn.com (Craig Partridge)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:14:13 -0400
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:48:30 PDT."
	<0c3101c8c695$1c9c6f20$0801000a@bigportable> 
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In message <0c3101c8c695$1c9c6f20$0801000a at bigportable>, "Larry Press" writes:

>... .  Do folks like BBN and DARPA have archives?

BBN has an excellent library which has copies of BBN technical reports.
So if we were asked to produce an official BBN report, they've got a copy.

However a lot of what was written for customers never became reports and
that stuff generally isn't archived by BBN (my understanding is that material
sent to DARPA more than a decade or so ago has been deposited in the National
Archives but I have not sought to learn where ARPANET stuff might be).
Tragically, for ARPANET, BBN *did* keep copies of everything until about
1990, when in an office move, an assistant was told to figure out what
to do with the (many file cabinets) of material and she chose to discard
it.  I would like to believe that everything in those file cabinets is
also in the National Archives, but my bet is history lost some useful stuff.

Craig

Chief Scientist, BBN Technologies


From spedraja at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 23:22:12 2008
From: spedraja at gmail.com (SPC)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:22:12 +0200
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
In-Reply-To: <0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>
References: <f7f1e0d30806041302w2f5c8fc4xc7434882d5b049e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>
Message-ID: <f7f1e0d30806042322j33da2377l75e8b7f43976a6b9@mail.gmail.com>

You can get this one here:

http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/chris/DIGITAL_ARCHIVE/ARPANET/DARPA4799.pdf

208 pages with some faults (in concrete the page III-136 referred to
published papers)

Greetings
Sergio


2008/6/4 Larry Press <lpress at csudh.edu>:

> Coincidentally, someone asked me earlier today whether I had a copy of the
> Arpanet Completion Report.
>
> Are reports like these on line?  It seems obvious that they should be.
>
> Larry Press
>
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From vint at google.com  Thu Jun  5 00:53:13 2008
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:53:13 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D8E@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>

How many pages?

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Press <lpress at csudh.edu>
To: Vint Cerf; spedraja at gmail.com <spedraja at gmail.com>; internet-history at postel.org <internet-history at postel.org>
Sent: Wed Jun 04 15:47:29 2008
Subject: Re: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents

>I don't think so. There were two versions. A long one by bbn which was 
>somewhat biased towards bbnM and an arpa approved version, shorter but more 
>neutral. V

I've got a Xerox copy of one by Heart, McKenzie, McQillan and Walden of 
BBN -- is that the long one?  (It is an executive summary followed by a 
"formal completion report" chapter and a history chapter).

Larry 





From mbaer at cs.tu-berlin.de  Thu Jun  5 01:21:18 2008
From: mbaer at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rwolff?=)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:21:18 +0200
Subject: [ih] Djvu Viewer (Re: Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents)
In-Reply-To: <f7f1e0d30806041546p320ed1f1o634df80bcbc01652@mail.gmail.com>
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SPC schrieb:
> There is another document really interesting and with a lot of technical 
> information not reflected at all later int the BBN 1763. I speak about 
> the original report from BBN named "Proposal: Interface Message 
> Processors for the Arpa Computer Network". It includes some 
> documentation from Honeywell, and is located in:
> 
> http://ia300241.us.archive.org/2/items/TheInterfaceMessageProcessorForTheArpaComputerNetwork/TheInterfaceMessageProcessorForTheArpaComputerNetwork.djvu
> 
> You must read it with the Djvu viewer located in http://www.lizardtech.com
> 

Just an aside: There's a nice viewer called DjView4 which has a PDF 
export function, too. It's available for most platforms and Linux distros.

Matthias

> I must clear that I'm searching all these documents for two reasons: I 
> need some of them to do my final work for my studies of History, and I 
> am thinking in develop one simulator of the Arpanet Imp (simulator, not 
> emulator) and its subnet for my Computing studies.
> 
> Thanks and Greetings
> Sergio Pedraja
> 
> 


-- 
Matthias B?rwolff, M.A.

          Technische Universit?t Berlin - Fakult?t IV
          Fachgebiet Informatik und Gesellschaft

          +49-(0)30 - 314-73285
          mbaer at cs.tu-berlin.de



From mbaer at cs.tu-berlin.de  Thu Jun  5 01:23:35 2008
From: mbaer at cs.tu-berlin.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Matthias_B=E4rwolff?=)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:23:35 +0200
Subject: [ih] Original Request for Quotations for the Arpanet (Re: Searching
 for some Arpanet-related Documents)
In-Reply-To: <f7f1e0d30806042322j33da2377l75e8b7f43976a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f7f1e0d30806041302w2f5c8fc4xc7434882d5b049e9@mail.gmail.com>	<0bdf01c8c687$79020800$0801000a@bigportable>
	<f7f1e0d30806042322j33da2377l75e8b7f43976a6b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4847A287.8080606@cs.tu-berlin.de>

SPC schrieb:
> You can get this one here:
> 
> http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/chris/DIGITAL_ARCHIVE/ARPANET/DARPA4799.pdf
> 
> 208 pages with some faults (in concrete the page III-136 referred to 
> published papers)
> 
> Greetings
> Sergio
> 

You might also be interested in the original Request for Quotations by 
ARPA at 
<http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/chris/DIGITAL_ARCHIVE/ARPANET/RFQ-ARPA-IMP.pdf>

Matthias

> 
> 2008/6/4 Larry Press <lpress at csudh.edu <mailto:lpress at csudh.edu>>:
> 
>     Coincidentally, someone asked me earlier today whether I had a copy
>     of the Arpanet Completion Report.
> 
>     Are reports like these on line?  It seems obvious that they should be.
> 
>     Larry Press
> 
> 


-- 
Matthias B?rwolff, M.A.

          Technische Universit?t Berlin - Fakult?t IV
          Fachgebiet Informatik und Gesellschaft

          +49-(0)30 - 314-73285
          mbaer at cs.tu-berlin.de



From spedraja at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 01:47:49 2008
From: spedraja at gmail.com (SPC)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:47:49 +0200
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
In-Reply-To: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D8E@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>
References: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D8E@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>
Message-ID: <f7f1e0d30806050147k5c7d704dvf435c5776a1ddb77@mail.gmail.com>

This is the distribution of the DARPA4799.pdf document that I mention in
other message:

001 Pages - Front page named 'Completion Report'
001 Pages - A history of Arpanet (BBN 4799)
001 Pages - Information about the document to classify it
003 Pages - i to iii - Table of contents
003 Pages - I-1 to I-3 - Chapter 1
041 Pages - II-1 to II-41 - Chapter 2
143 Pages - III-1 to III-143 - Chapter 3 (Page 136 is blank)
015 Pages - ARPANET maps from Dec-1970 to March-1977

Total: 208 pages (including the blank page III-136)

Greetings
Sergio Pedraja


2008/6/5 Vint Cerf

> How many pages?
>
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From vint at google.com  Thu Jun  5 03:22:52 2008
From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 03:22:52 -0700
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D94@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>

That sounds like the formal report to darpa.

----- Original Message -----
From: internet-history-bounces at postel.org <internet-history-bounces at postel.org>
To: internet-history at postel.org <internet-history at postel.org>
Sent: Thu Jun 05 01:47:49 2008
Subject: Re: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents


This is the distribution of the DARPA4799.pdf document that I mention in other message:

001 Pages - Front page named 'Completion Report'
001 Pages - A history of Arpanet (BBN 4799)
001 Pages - Information about the document to classify it
003 Pages - i to iii - Table of contents
003 Pages - I-1 to I-3 - Chapter 1
041 Pages - II-1 to II-41 - Chapter 2
143 Pages - III-1 to III-143 - Chapter 3 (Page 136 is blank)
015 Pages - ARPANET maps from Dec-1970 to March-1977

Total: 208 pages (including the blank page III-136)

Greetings
Sergio Pedraja



2008/6/5 Vint Cerf


	How many pages?
	






From chris at cs.utexas.edu  Thu Jun  5 16:43:27 2008
From: chris at cs.utexas.edu (Chris Edmondson-Yurkanan)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:43:27 -0500
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
In-Reply-To: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D94@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>
References: <B0AE4BA85E81614A8972EBC482F14971020D94@mtv-exbe-3.corp.google.com>
Message-ID: <FD14372E-6BD7-41D5-85EF-90652FA58DAC@cs.utexas.edu>

Vint and all:

As the editor of the ACM SIGCOMM99 Tutorial notebook on the Technical  
History of the Internet, I received a wonderful variety of primary  
source documents that I wanted to put online.

SIGCOMM's chair Craig Partridge agreed in 2001 to fund putting several  
historic network documents online 2002-2003.

The ARPANET Completion Report was one that I collected and put it  
online March 2003.  I don't know the exact authorship of the "formal"  
ARPANET Completion report, but I believe that it was originally  
written by Heart/Walden/McKenzie/McQuillan, but possibly edited  
afterwards??? by Darpa program managers???

The Arpanet Completion Report is also online at:  http://www.sigcomm.org/history/archive.html

Thanks, Chris

On Jun 5, 2008, at 5:22 AM, Vint Cerf wrote:

> That sounds like the formal report to darpa.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: internet-history-bounces at postel.org <internet-history-bounces at postel.org 
> >
> To: internet-history at postel.org <internet-history at postel.org>
> Sent: Thu Jun 05 01:47:49 2008
> Subject: Re: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
>
>
> This is the distribution of the DARPA4799.pdf document that I  
> mention in other message:
>
> 001 Pages - Front page named 'Completion Report'
> 001 Pages - A history of Arpanet (BBN 4799)
> 001 Pages - Information about the document to classify it
> 003 Pages - i to iii - Table of contents
> 003 Pages - I-1 to I-3 - Chapter 1
> 041 Pages - II-1 to II-41 - Chapter 2
> 143 Pages - III-1 to III-143 - Chapter 3 (Page 136 is blank)
> 015 Pages - ARPANET maps from Dec-1970 to March-1977
>
> Total: 208 pages (including the blank page III-136)
>
> Greetings
> Sergio Pedraja
>
>
>
> 2008/6/5 Vint Cerf
>
>
> 	How many pages?
> 	
>
>
>

Chris Edmondson-Yurkanan
(chris at cs.utexas.edu)
Contact info:  www.cs.utexas.edu/~chris/



From alblue at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  5 17:49:23 2008
From: alblue at earthlink.net (Allan Blue)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:49:23 -0500
Subject: [ih] Searching for some Arpanet-related Documents
Message-ID: <022a01c8c76f$5e7fa4e0$6901a8c0@AlBlue>

I oversaw the packing of thousands of IPO documents and reports on
the Arpanet and other projects for shipment to the Archives. They were
all filed by ARPA Order number.

Al Blue
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