[Chapter-delegates] Follow-up on Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of 17 September 2024
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ocl at gih.com
Sat Nov 23 06:20:01 PST 2024
Dear Ilona,
you might have missed my previous email, in the immediate aftermath of
the Internet Society Board of Trustees meeting on 2nd November 2024 and
the run-up to the Internet Society Activities and Staff meetings taking
place in Istanbul last week.
I am therefore sending you a copy of the thread in which my question
asking for a copy of the agreement which you refer to as "/The agreement
in place since 2018 between the Foundation and Internet Society focuses
on the legal obligations in line with the Foundation's role as a
509(a)(3)..." /remains unanswered.
Since I am unable to locate this agreement, I should think it would be
easy for you to forward it accordingly.
Kindest regards,
Olivier Crépin-Leblond
On 06/11/2024 22:33, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
> Dear Ilona,
>
> Thank you for sharing the pointers to the documents on which you have
> based your response that ISOC is not "outsourcing" to the Foundation
> and that the two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of the
> Internet Society.
>
> In your email to Judith Hellerstein of 28th September 2024, you point
> to an agreement in place:
> "/On the agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
> agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation and
> Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities and Services
> Agreement. Description: how the two organizations may share some
> employees and the use of space on a cost reimbursement basis as needed./"
>
> In the 23rd September 2024 email you refer to, the only reference you
> make to a 2018 agreement is as follows:
> "/The agreement in place since 2018 between the Foundation and
> Internet Society focuses on the legal obligations in line with the
> Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore, won’t be useful for
> that purpose./"
>
> Checking both the Internet Society and the Internet Society Foundation
> Web sites, I could not trace that agreement.
>
> Please be so kind to provide a copy of such an agreement.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>
>
> On 28/10/2024 12:13, Ilona Levine wrote:
>>
>> Hi Judith,
>>
>> The request seeking services agreement is based on the assumption
>> that the relationship between the two organization is of the vendor
>> type. As I mentioned in my emails of September 20, September 23 and
>> October 10, the Foundation, instead, is a subsidiary of ISOC, not a
>> third-party service provider or outside contractor. So, ISOC is not
>> “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead, the two entities
>> cooperate to achieve the mission of the Internet Society.
>>
>> In other words, that relationship is based on the US federal tax law,
>> not a set of service agreements. Here are some additional legal
>> documents that expand on that principle:
>>
>> * The Foundation’s articles of incorporation: Articles of
>> Incorporation
>> <https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Articles-of-Incorporation.pdf?_gl=1*1t6uwq3*_up*MQ..*_ga*NjczNzE1NzcxLjE3Mjk3ODQ2OTI.*_ga_BQY6ZNFJLB*MTcyOTc4NDY5MC4xLjEuMTcyOTc4NDcxMy4wLjAuMA..>.
>> Article SECOND of the Articles of Incorporation provides that the
>> Internet Society is the sole member the Foundation. Article THIRD
>> provides that the Foundation is organized for the benefit of, or
>> to conduct or carryout the purposes of, the Internet Society.
>> * The Foundation’s IRS Determination Letter, which designates the
>> Foundation as a Type I Supporting Organization based on the
>> Foundation’s Articles of Incorporation: IRS Determination Letter
>> <https://www.isocfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Foundation-Determination-Letter.pdf>
>> * _Foundation's_Bylaws
>> <https://www.isocfoundation.org/board-of-trustees/governance/by-laws/> might
>> also helpful.
>>
>> Similarly, for ISOC:
>>
>> Articles of Incorporation
>> <https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/articles-of-incorporation/>
>>
>> Bylaws
>> <https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/by-laws/>
>>
>> On the agreements side, the email of September 23 references the
>> agreement in place since July 1, 2018 between the Foundation and
>> Internet Society. The name of the agreement: Facilities and Services
>> Agreement. Description: how the two organizations may share some
>> employees and the use of space on a cost reimbursement basis as needed.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ilona
>>
>> *Ilona Levine,* SVP, General Counsel and Corporate Secretary
>>
>> levine at isoc.org <mailto:levine at isoc.org>|
>> internetsociety.org | @internetsociety
>>
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>>
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>> This communication is the property of the Internet Society and may
>> contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of
>> this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received it
>> in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
>> copies of the communication and any attachments.
>>
>> *From: *Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, October 27, 2024 at 8:27 PM
>> *To: *Ilona Levine <levine at isoc.org>
>> *Cc: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, Ted IETF
>> <ted.ietf at gmail.com>, Chapter Delegates
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
>> Council Meeting of 17 September 2024
>>
>> Hi Ilona,
>>
>> In Chris’s response there were no documents sent. He just talked
>> about the communications plan. What Olivier is seeking is documents
>> that set out the rules for engagement between the foundation and the
>> ISOC HQ
>>
>> As Olivier states, Supporting Organisation and the Supported
>> Organisation is formalised by a set of service agreements since the
>> two organisations remain legally distinct.
>>
>> It is these documents we are seeking. We are not seeking the
>> communications plan but these specific legal documents that are
>> connecting the two groups.
>>
>> I have not seen these either neither in your emails or in Chris’s and
>> so I support Olivier’s request
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith Hellerstein
>>
>> Chapter Advisory Representative from ISOC DC
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>
>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2024, at 11:28 AM, Ilona Levine via Chapter-delegates
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Olivier,
>>
>> To address your concern that you have not received any response
>> from me on the matters you have raised, I refer you to the emails
>> dated 20 September, 23 September, and 10 October. They contain
>> information necessary to assist you and ChAC, if needed, in the
>> meeting with Chris next week.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ilona
>>
>> *Ilona Levine,* General Counsel and Corporate Secretary
>>
>> levine at isoc.org <mailto:levine at isoc.org>|
>> internetsociety.org | @internetsociety
>>
>> Donate today. <https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ>
>>
>> *Help protect the Internet for everyone.*
>>
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>>
>> This communication is the property of the Internet Society and
>> may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized
>> use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have
>> received it in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail
>> and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments.
>>
>> *From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 10:24 AM
>> *To: *Ilona Levine <levine at isoc.org>, Ted IETF <ted.ietf at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Chapter Delegates <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
>> Sally Wentworth <wentworth at isoc.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory Council Meeting of
>> 17 September 2024
>>
>> Dear Ilona,
>>
>> referring to my email below, I note with concern that I appear to
>> have not received any response from you on the matters I raised.
>> Having mentioned in your email dated 8 October 2024 that "/All
>> necessary legal documents, including agreements, have been put in
>> place to respect the separate nature of the two organizations."
>> /, I am yet to have seen any of these documents which you
>> mentioned. Please be so kind to share them or if this is not
>> possible, even in a redacted manner, then please provide a list
>> of the agreements to which you refer, including the date of the
>> agreement, the name of the agreement, the signatory parties, and
>> a brief description of each agreement.
>>
>> I reiterate the differentiation between a "supporting
>> organisation" and a "merged organisation", which are not legally
>> the same. Supporting organisations require, under Company Law,
>> that the link between the Supporting Organisation and the
>> Supported Organisation is formalised by a set of service
>> agreements since the two organisations remain legally distinct.
>>
>> I look forward to your prompt response.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>>
>>
>> On 15/10/2024 10:56, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ilona,
>>
>> thank you for your email dated 10 October 2024.
>>
>> I am disappointed to note that you have still not provided a
>> response with the information requested in my emails appended
>> in the email thread below. You will note the extract below
>> from my email dated 8 October 2024:
>>
>> QUOTE:
>> "Responding to your note: "/All necessary legal documents,
>> including agreements, have been put in place to respect the
>> separate nature of the two organizations./
>>
>> All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not
>> possible, even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason,
>> then please provide a list of the agreements to which you
>> refer, including the date of the agreement, the name of the
>> agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief description of
>> each agreement."
>>
>> I reiterate this request and would be grateful if you could
>> provide the information requested without further delay.
>>
>> I very much appreciate (and draw your attention to) the input
>> and support for this information request from my fellow
>> "Chapter Delegates".
>>
>> As a reminder, in U.S. company law, a "supporting
>> organisation" and a "merged organisation" are not legally the
>> same.
>>
>> I am pleased that we all appear to agree that the Internet
>> Society Foundation is formally a "Section 509(a)(3)
>> Supporting Organisation" under United States Non Profit Tax Law.
>> The information from the IRS links below provide helpful
>> "Official Guidance":
>>
>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations
>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types
>>
>> I look forward to your prompt response.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>>
>>
>> On 10/10/2024 17:04, Ilona Levine wrote:
>>
>> Hi Olivier,
>>
>> Thank you for your follow up email. I think the use of
>> the term "outsourcing" in the email below might have
>> caused some confusion. You mentioned you are familiar
>> with the “supporting organizations” and how they operate,
>> but it might also be helpful for me to provide
>> some additional background for others.
>>
>> As you know, the relationship between supporting and
>> supported organizations is not a vendor or contractor
>> relationship. Though the Foundation is a separate
>> corporation, it is a controlled subsidiary of ISOC, not a
>> third-party service provider or outside contractor. So
>> ISOC is not “outsourcing” to the Foundation but instead,
>> the two entities cooperate to achieve the mission of the
>> Internet Society. In other words, as a supporting
>> organization, the Foundation’s purpose is to operate for
>> the benefit of, and to support, ISOC. In furtherance of
>> that purpose, the Foundation conducts programs and
>> activities that benefit ISOC and furthers ISOC’s mission.
>> For example, the Foundation engages in communications
>> activities at the direction of and to the benefit of ISOC.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you also know based on your extensive experience with
>> nonprofits, the Internet Society Board develops the
>> overall strategy for ISOC. Internet Society management
>> then develops its action plan and in turn, works with the
>> Foundation to ensure that it, as a
>> supporting organization, provides the support necessary
>> to achieve ISOC’s goals. The Foundation does that through
>> its own action plan, which sets out objectives for all of
>> its functions, including the communications function. So
>> the Board sets the strategy, Internet Society management
>> creates the action plans, and the Foundation management
>> allocates resources to support those plans as necessary.
>>
>> After the approval of the 2025 action plans, ISOC will
>> share them with the community. As discussed earlier,
>> part of that will be Chris presenting to this community
>> how the communications group will be tackling its work in
>> the upcoming year.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ilona
>>
>> *From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 8, 2024 at 8:47 AM
>> *To: *Ilona Levine <levine at isoc.org>
>> <mailto:levine at isoc.org>, Ted IETF <ted.ietf at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:ted.ietf at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Chapter Delegates
>> <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> <mailto:Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, Sally
>> Wentworth <wentworth at isoc.org> <mailto:wentworth at isoc.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory Council
>> Meeting of 17 September 2024
>>
>> Dear Ilona,
>>
>> Further to our discussion two weeks ago regarding the
>> definition of the relationship between the Internet
>> Society and the Internet Society Foundation, in the
>> absence of your response, I wish to reiterate the need
>> for a clear outsourcing agreement between these entities.
>> It is recognised as good business practice
>> internationally to establish such agreements to delineate
>> respective liabilities in the execution of these contracts.
>>
>> Responding to your note: "/All necessary legal documents,
>> including agreements, have been put in place to respect
>> the separate nature of the two organizations./"
>>
>> All I am asking is for them to be shared. If that is not
>> possible, even in a redacted manner, for whatever reason,
>> then please provide a list of the agreements to which you
>> refer, including the date of the agreement, the name of
>> the agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief
>> description of each agreement.
>>
>> Looking forward to your prompt response.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24/09/2024 17:22, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ilona,
>>
>> Many thanks for your follow-up.
>>
>> The thread may not have come all through. During the
>> Chapter Advisory Council call, Ted mentioned the
>> transfer of some responsibilities in relation to
>> Communications from the Internet Society to the
>> Internet Society Foundation. My initial question to
>> Ted was in regards to the outsourcing agreement as
>> follows:
>>
>> /"I was previously unaware of this change. Although
>> the Internet Society Foundation may have been
>> designated by the Internet Society as a "supporting
>> organisation" of the Internet Society, it remains a
>> distinct and separate legal entity. Therefore, I
>> assume that any "outsourcing" of responsibilities
>> such as Marketing and/or Communications would be
>> defined in a written "contract for services" between
>> the Parties setting out (inter-alia) the terms,
>> rights, and obligations of each Party. Could you
>> please provide the terms for such an agreement and
>> any limitations therein?
>>
>> My principal concern lies in distinguishing between
>> executing the Communications Plan and drafting the
>> Communications Plan. These are fundamentally
>> different tasks and would undoubtedly be included in
>> the "contract for services""./
>>
>> The top level responsibility of the strategy of the
>> Internet Society remains within the Internet Society.
>> I find it surprising that an outsourcing entity would
>> be able to dictate that strategy without it being
>> agreed by the Internet Society itself.
>> The Internet Society has the opportunity to outsource
>> the execution of its Communications Plan to a
>> supporting organisation on the basis of terms and
>> conditions agreed between the parties. This requires
>> outsourcing agreement(s) in order to know where the
>> boundaries and responsibilities are between the two
>> organisations, including their respective liabilities
>> in the execution of these agreement(s).
>>
>> For example:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Key Components of an Outsourcing Communications
>> Agreement
>>
>> 1. *Introduction and Definitions*:
>>
>> 1. Clearly define the parties involved.
>> 2. Provide definitions for key terms used
>> throughout the agreement.
>>
>> 2. *Scope of Services*:
>>
>> 1. Detail the specific services to be outsourced.
>> 2. Include service level agreements (SLAs) to
>> set performance standards.
>>
>> 3. *Term and Termination*:
>>
>> 1. Specify the duration of the agreement.
>> 2. Outline conditions for termination by either
>> party.
>>
>> 4. *Pricing and Payment Terms*:
>>
>> 1. Define the pricing structure and payment
>> schedule.
>> 2. Include any penalties for late payments or
>> performance failures.
>>
>> 5. *Confidentiality and Data Protection*:
>>
>> 1. Ensure compliance with data protection laws.
>> 2. Include confidentiality clauses to protect
>> sensitive information.
>>
>> 6. *Intellectual Property Rights*:
>>
>> 1. Clarify the ownership of any intellectual
>> property created during the agreement.
>>
>> 7. *Warranties and Liability*:
>>
>> 1. Outline the warranties provided by the
>> service provider.
>> 2. Define the liability limits for both parties.
>>
>> 8. *Monitoring and Reporting*:
>>
>> 1. Establish how performance will be monitored
>> and reported.
>> 2. Include provisions for regular review meetings.
>>
>> 9. *Dispute Resolution*:
>>
>> 1. Specify the process for resolving disputes.
>> 2. Include mediation or arbitration clauses if
>> applicable.
>>
>> 10. *Exit Management*:
>>
>> 1. Plan for the transition of services back to
>> the company or to another provider.
>> 2. Include provisions for the transfer of data
>> and assets.
>>
>>
>>
>> I trust that you mentioned: "All necessary legal
>> documents, including agreements, have been put in
>> place to respect the separate nature of the two
>> organizations."
>> Thus I would be interested in its details as
>> explained in my email.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/09/2024 18:36, Ilona Levine wrote:
>>
>> Dear Olivier,
>>
>> I understand that the nature of your request is
>> to assist the Chapters Advisory Council and Chris
>> Locke in preparation to his session on the
>> communication plan. The agreement in place since
>> 2018 between the Foundation and Internet Society
>> focuses on the legal obligations in line with the
>> Foundation's role as a 509(a)(3) and therefore,
>> won’t be useful for that purpose.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ilona
>>
>> *From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
>> <mailto:ocl at gih.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 8:52 AM
>> *To: *Ilona Levine <levine at isoc.org>
>> <mailto:levine at isoc.org>, Ted IETF
>> <ted.ietf at gmail.com> <mailto:ted.ietf at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Chapter Delegates
>> <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> <mailto:Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, Sally
>> Wentworth <wentworth at isoc.org>
>> <mailto:wentworth at isoc.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
>> Council Meeting of 17 September 2024
>>
>> Dear Ilona,
>>
>> thank you for clarifying that all necessary legal
>> documents, including agreements, have been duly
>> executed to respect the separate nature of the
>> two organisations.
>>
>> I am aware of the publication of the original
>> IETF Administration LLC agreements with the
>> Internet Society, specifically:
>> IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement (2020)
>> <https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_Funding_Agreement_-_Executed_-_20201123.pdf>
>> IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amendment (2020)
>> <https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/IETF_ISOC_Funding_Amendment_Amendment_-_20201222.pdf>
>> IETF-ISOC Funding Agreement Amended and Restated
>> (2024)
>> <https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ISOC-IETF_Amended_Funding_Agreement_-_20240103_-_Redacted_Executed.pdf>
>>
>> These documents are accessible on the IETF
>> Administration LLC’s website at
>> https://www.ietf.org/administration/overview/.
>>
>> Could you kindly confirm whether the agreements
>> between the Foundation and the Internet Society
>> are also publicly available? I have been unable
>> to locate them on either website.
>>
>> I would appreciate it if you could provide a list
>> of the agreements to which you refer, including
>> the date of the agreement, the name of the
>> agreement, the signatory parties, and a brief
>> description of each agreement.
>>
>> I look forward to your kind response.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/09/2024 19:48, Ilona Levine wrote:
>>
>> Hi Olivier, thank you for your follow up
>> email. You noted that you are aware of the
>> tax requirements that apply to supporting
>> organizations. Mainly, those requirements
>> relate to supporting the mission of its
>> supported entities. In this case, the
>> Internet Society.
>>
>> As part of that support, the Foundation
>> provides grants to other organizations that
>> have missions consistent with the Internet
>> Society’s in order to fund programs that
>> further the Internet Society’s purposes. The
>> Foundation also engages in activities that
>> support Internet Society directly. For
>> example, the Foundation engages in
>> fundraising and communication activities for
>> the benefit of the Internet Society.
>>
>> As you also pointed out, the Foundation is a
>> separate legal entity. It is a controlled
>> subsidiary of Internet Society. All
>> necessary legal documents, including
>> agreements, have been put in place to respect
>> the separate nature of the two organizations.
>>
>> I trust this answers your question.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ilona
>>
>> *Ilona Levine,* SVP, General Counsel and
>> Corporate Secretary
>>
>> levine at isoc.org <mailto:levine at isoc.org>|
>> internetsociety.org | @internetsociety
>>
>> Donate today. <https://bit.ly/3nUsQmJ>
>>
>> *Help protect the Internet for everyone.*
>>
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>>
>> This communication is the property of the
>> Internet Society and may contain confidential
>> or privileged information. Unauthorized use
>> of this communication is strictly
>> prohibited. If you have received it in
>> error, please notify the sender by reply
>> e-mail and destroy all copies of the
>> communication and any attachments.
>>
>> *From: *Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com> <mailto:ocl at gih.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, September 20, 2024 at 11:38 AM
>> *To: *Ted IETF <ted.ietf at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:ted.ietf at gmail.com>, Ilona Levine
>> <levine at isoc.org> <mailto:levine at isoc.org>
>> *Cc: *Chapter Delegates
>> <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> <mailto:Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
>> Sally Wentworth <wentworth at isoc.org>
>> <mailto:wentworth at isoc.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: Follow-up on Chapters Advisory
>> Council Meeting of 17 September 2024
>>
>> Dear Ted,
>>
>> thank you for your follow-up on this matter.
>> I am aware of the special tax terms in
>> relation to "supporting organisations".
>>
>> That being said, the Internet Society
>> Foundation is a distinct and separate legal
>> entity to the Internet Society, irrespective
>> of the relationship between them. As a
>> result, any outsourcing task undertaken by
>> one, for the other entity, would be defined
>> in a contract, whether written, verbal or
>> otherwise. If not, there is a lack of clarity
>> and expectations about the relationship,
>> which brings potential liability and risk
>> that both entities are subjected to, in
>> relation to the other's actions. Any lawyer
>> would tell you that it is highly advisable to
>> have a written contract, if only for legal
>> protection.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me know that you are
>> travelling. I am copying President and CEO
>> Sally Wentworth in case you're unavailable
>> for a length of time.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> On 20/09/2024 13:12, Ted Hardie wrote:
>>
>> Hi Olivier,
>>
>> A supporting organization is a term of
>> art in US tax law, please see:
>>
>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/supporting-organizations-requirements-and-types
>>
>> and
>>
>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/section-509a3-supporting-organizations
>>
>> Explaining how the two relate is
>> complicated enough that there are legal
>> briefs on it; I have cc'ed the Society's
>> chief counsel in case you would like that
>> level of detail. The summary, however,
>> is that a supporting organization is a
>> charity because it supports the
>> charitable purpose of the main
>> organization. As a result, it can
>> provide services to the main organization
>> under the special tax rules noted above.
>>
>> Note that I am traveling and will
>> generally be slow to respond for a few
>> days, but hopefully the links above will
>> get you started and Ilona can provide
>> more detailed legal information as needed.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Ted Hardie
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 6:24 AM Olivier
>> MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ted,
>>
>>
>> During this week’s Chapters Advisory
>> Council call, you mentioned that the
>> Internet Society Foundation, as a
>> "supporting organisation" of the
>> Internet Society, is managing the
>> communications department for the
>> Internet Society.
>>
>> Upon seeking clarification, you
>> explained that the Internet Society
>> Foundation comprises two elements:
>> one philanthropic (grant-making) and
>> the other as a "supporting
>> organisation" of the Internet
>> Society. "This implies that many of
>> the supporting functions for the
>> Internet Society as a whole are now
>> part of the Foundation, primarily
>> because the Foundation can provide
>> these services to the Internet
>> Society at no cost".
>>
>> You further elaborated that this
>> "arrangement" allows the Internet
>> Society to allocate its budget more
>> effectively.
>>
>> I was previously unaware of this
>> change. Although the Internet Society
>> Foundation may have been designated
>> by the Internet Society as a
>> "supporting organisation" of the
>> Internet Society, it remains a
>> distinct and separate legal entity.
>> Therefore, I assume that any
>> "outsourcing" of responsibilities
>> such as Marketing and/or
>> Communications would be defined in a
>> written "contract for services"
>> between the Parties setting out
>> (inter-alia) the terms, rights, and
>> obligations of each Party. Could you
>> please provide the terms for such an
>> agreement and any limitations therein?
>>
>> My principal concern lies in
>> distinguishing between executing the
>> Communications Plan and drafting the
>> Communications Plan. These are
>> fundamentally different tasks and
>> would undoubtedly be included in the
>> "contract for services".
>>
>> The "contract for services" (together
>> with any relevant supporting
>> information) will be helpful input
>> for both the Chapters Advisory
>> Council and also for Chris Locke and
>> his Team (including for the current
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>> preparation for the promised session
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>> I look forward to your response and
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>> for services" agreement, together
>> with any relevant supporting
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>> Kindest regards,
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>> Olivier
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