[Chapter-delegates] AMS celebration day 2024 [was Re: Happy third anniversary MemberNova initiative]

[vinton cerf]

thanks for this, Olivier. I think this would be a peculiar step for ISOC -
partly for the reasons Greg Shatan expresses but also because there are an
enormous number of ways in which the Internet can be misused. The
facilitation of modern slavery is but one of many. ISOC expresses its
general intent to promote constructive and safe uses of the Internet and to
resist abuses but has no ability to affect directly most of the actual ways
in which the Internet and WWW are used or abused. To single out one harmful
way in which the Internet might be used seems narrowly focused and not
indicative of the broad intent of the Internet Society. I don't see that
calling attention to this one abuse is helpful to ISOC's goals which are
far broader.

Vint


On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:45 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
wrote:

> Dear Vint,
>
> Certainly! The impact of the internet on modern slavery is a complex and
> multifaceted issue.
>
> Here are some sources that delve into this topic:
>
>    1.
>
>    *Modern Slavery on Social Media | Walk Free
>    <https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/findings/spotlights/modern-slavery-on-social-media/>*
>    :
>    - This report explores how social media facilitates modern slavery.
>       - It discusses recruitment, exploitation, and risks associated with
>       online anonymity.
>       - Examples include deceptive job advertisements and the use of
>       platforms like TikTok for trafficking.
>    2.
>
>    *Using Technology in the Fight Against Human Trafficking and Modern
>    Slavery
>    <https://trilateralresearch.com/research-highlights/using-technology-in-the-fight-against-human-trafficking-and-modern-slavery-challenges-with-tech-mediated-interventions>*
>    :
>    - Discusses how technology intersects with human trafficking and
>       modern slavery.
>       - Highlights the role of the internet in enabling traffickers to
>       reach wider audiences and bypass geographical distances.
>    3.
>
>    *Freeing the Modern Slaves, One Click at a Time: Theorizing Human
>    Trafficking and Modern Slavery
>    <https://antitraffickingreview.org/index.php/atrjournal/article/view/442/352>*
>    :
>    - Examines how the internet and smartphones contribute to trafficking.
>
>
>    4. *The Role of the Internet in Trafficking for Labour*
>    <https://www.antislavery.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/FINE-Tune-project-internet_and_labour_trafficking.pdf>
>       - An older report examining the use of online job recruitment,
>       looking at case studies from several EU Member States
>
>
> And then it can go further into how online criminals snare vulnerable
> individuals into working for them in online schemes - for this, the EUROPOL
> IOCTA reports are particularly interesting.
> https://www.europol.europa.eu/publications-events/main-reports/iocta-report
>
> I hope this helps.
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
>
>
> On 18/03/2024 12:23, vinton cerf wrote:
>
> "The Internet has an enormous impact on modern slavery and trafficking"
>
> please explain
>
> v
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:11 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is a Charity that funds projects all around the world.
>> Of course, unlikely to be fully concerned with this. As I said it's a
>> voluntary thing. The Internet has an enormous impact on modern slavery and
>> trafficking. An estimated 50 million people are living in situations of
>> modern slavery.  Compare this to 5-10 million under Roman Times and a peak
>> of 10 million slaves in US slavery -- this is not a small, fringe problem.
>>
>> As I said, it's a voluntary thing. Just like some organisations have an
>> explicit non-discrimination policy in relation to gender as well as
>> disability issues.
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> On 18/03/2024 11:53, vinton cerf wrote:
>>
>> Olivier, I am at a loss to understand what purpose would be served by
>> Internet Society having a modern slavery statement? How does any form of
>> slavery have a connection to the Internet Society? Slavery seems pretty far
>> outside the ambit of the Society - what's the connection?
>>
>> v
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 7:46 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via
>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Andrew,
>>>
>>> please find my comments inline:
>>>
>>> On 16/03/2024 14:51, Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 12:41:35PM +0000, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> note that the link on
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/about-internet-society/governance-policies/
>>> is wrong as it points to the Board and Officer Code of Ethics.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm, that seems to be an error.  It's weird since that's the page I used
>>> to get to it, so there's something inconsistent somewhere.  We'll fix,
>>> thanks for catching this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks - that's fixed now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there plans to make the strategic plan public?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes; as I said in my previous message, there is a communications plan,
>>> already shared with the board, for how this will be rolled out.  Look for
>>> more details in the coming weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> I fail to understand how there should be a difference between what is
>>> presented to the Board of Trustees and what is communicated to the general
>>> public, unless there is a significant difference between the two, which
>>> makes me really nervous.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are your plans for transparency in the way the Board operates?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't understand what this question is about.  I should note, first of
>>> all, that _my_ plans for how the board operates aren't terribly
>>> interesting, since I don't get to make those rules.  The operation of the
>>> board is governed by our bylaws and by the board policies, and those are
>>> all determined by the board itself.  But our board meets in the open except
>>> when certain items need to be handled in execitive session, its meetings
>>> are recorded and published on the web, and so forth.  I am not entirely
>>> sure what it is you are asking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> You are right. This is a matter of the Board Chair and not CEO. I shall
>>> take this topic up with the Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of the documents you are referring to appear to point in the other
>>> direction.
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, I don't understand this, but I also think that you may be
>>> addressing the wrong person.  If your concern is board policies, you really
>>> need to take that up with the board.  I think I have suggested this point
>>> to you already within the last month.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes my apologies - I shall ask the Board. The discussion has drifted
>>> outside your scope.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Incidentally, does the Internet Society have a Modern Slavery Statement?
>>>
>>>
>>> I am at a loss as to why we might, but perhaps you could elucidate.
>>>
>>>
>>> I realise this is a mandatory UK thing but the UK is also trying to
>>> propose this as "good practice", a statement that alerts the Charity's
>>> interlocutors that it is sensitive to this important topic.
>>> For more information, see:
>>> https://www.ncvo.org.uk/help-and-guidance/running-a-charity/legal-requirements/modern-slavery-statements/
>>>
>>> Many organisations do this on a voluntary basis. I propose that the
>>> Board of Trustees looks into this and decides whether they'd be interested
>>> in promoting good practice, especially given the international dimension of
>>> the Internet Society.
>>>
>>> Kindest regards,
>>>
>>> Olivier
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>>
>>
> --
> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhDhttp://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>
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