No subject

he creation of the InterPlanetary Networking Chapter, with a request that I=
SOC look into the possibility of creating ISOC-wide non-voting SIGs/Working=
 Groups for technical topics in the future.

Regards,

Mark D. Urban
Vice-Chair, DSN Chapter.


From: Michael Snell [mailto:mjjsnell at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:20 PM
To: Urban, Mark (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO)
Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form an InterPlanetary Netw=
orking Chapter

Hi Mark. Hope things are well with you.
 Let me try to address your concern (and Peter Koch's concern).
 From ISOC's website: "An Internet Society Chapter brings together individu=
al members of the Internet Society who share an interest and belief in the =
Internet Society's principles and mission and who are committed to furtheri=
ng the Internet Society's goals and objectives within your geographic or sp=
ecial interest area."  The words "or special interest area" certainly seem =
to say that geography isn't the only thing that can define an ISOC chapter-=
as your chapter certainly demonstrates.
 Our interest area is global in scope, not aligned with any particular geog=
raphic region. Indeed, it would not be wise to associate IPNSIG with any ge=
ographical region because that would inherently discourage membership from =
outside the region. To paraphrase Paul Brooks "If we're going to be a SIG o=
r project associated with a Chapter-- what chapter would you propose?" Whil=
e relatively close to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena (about 6-7 =
hours driving time), that's only one of the geographical centers of researc=
h and interest in interplanetary networking. There are others centered on t=
he East Coast, in Sweden, in Ireland, in Greece, in Australia and other loc=
ations around the globe. Restricting it to a project or SIG associated with=
 the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter (as it currently is) makes it problemat=
ic to host events that do not limit participation to the Northern Californi=
a region. We are planning a major IPN event at Google HQ in Mountain View n=
ext January-but we are also planning one in the Washington, D.C. area late =
next year, and have just started discussions with the N4C community in Euro=
pe about hosting an event there in 2015. We are doing this precisely becaus=
e we recognize that our target audience and our membership is global.
Beyond that, technical concerns are often not just technical. There is an i=
mportant societal concern element here that is core to ISOC values: the ope=
nness and transparency of the technical standards that drive the Internet. =
It is not an issue today. There really is no Internet in outer space-- yet.=
 But we believe there should be, and that the same openness, transparency a=
nd trust issues will exist. It is not in the interest of the people of the =
earth to have space data communications remain the prerogative of competing=
 nation states. Commercialization of space will not supplant sovereign stat=
e "ownership" of space exploration and eventual use of space resources with=
out it.
Work done by IPNSIG members over the past years has planted the seeds of th=
is movement towards transparency and openness. Standards have been develope=
d, not in secret government labs-- but under the auspices of IRTF. NASA has=
 publicly released the core IPN software as open source code. The first cha=
irman of IPNSIG (Adrian Hooke from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory) founded t=
he Consultative Committee for Space Data systems, whose membership includes=
 space agencies from almost every space-faring nation on the planet. That o=
rganization is in the process of adopting the Delay & Disruption Tolerant N=
etworking (DTN) suite of protocols, which will foster cooperation and colla=
boration by the world's space agencies, and pave the way for a trusted, tru=
stworthy space infrastructure that will allow for the peaceful exploration =
and potential use of off-planet resources.
Furthermore, the application of these DTN technologies towards solving terr=
estrial problems is gaining momentum. The N4C community in the European Uni=
on has applied them towards monitoring wildlife in remote regions, and ther=
e have been several proposals to use DTN to provide inexpensive, secure net=
work services to remote areas.
We believe that the interest and impact of IPN is global, and that, therefo=
re, a global ISOC chapter is the best solution to both allow interested par=
ties access to the chapter, and to allow for global collaboration with regi=
onal chapters to further the development and deployment of DTN technologies=
. It deserves and needs a chapter's resources dedicated to it, rather than =
continuing as a project of SF Bay ISOC.

Mike Snell
President, San Francisco Bay Area Chapter
Secretary/Treasurer, IPNSIG

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Urban, Mark (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO) <fka2 at cdc=
.gov<mailto:fka2 at cdc.gov>> wrote:
The Disability and Special Needs Chapter shares the same concerns as ISOC.D=
E<http://ISOC.DE>. As the only Global Chapter, we can recognize the occasio=
nal need for a unique Chapter environs.  However, in our case, the reasonin=
g for the chapter was based upon unique societal needs, rather than a techn=
ical interest.  A nonvoting SIG (Special Interest Group) might be the more =
appropriate venue for consideration of these problems.

Regards,

Mark D. Urban
Vice Chair, ISOC DSN Chapter.

-----Original Message-----
From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org<mailto:chapter-delegates-bo=
unces at elists.isoc.org> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org<ma=
ilto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] On Behalf Of Peter Koch
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:22 AM
To: ISOC Chapter Delegates
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form an InterPlanetary Netw=
orking Chapter

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 07:27:10AM +0000, Sabrina Wilmot wrote:

> The following application for an InterPlanetary Networking Chapter has be=
en received. It is being sent to this list for peer comment and review.

> FYI: The group had started their work in a Special Interest Group ("IPNSI=
G") and is currently formally a project of the San Francisco Bay Area Chapt=
er. The applicants state:

ISOC.DE<http://ISOC.DE> applauds the initiative with the greatest respect t=
owards the well renowned proponents.  That said, we would like to ask for a=
 clarification regarding chapter eligibility.
While there is at least one prominent example of a non-geographic chapter, =
the initiative appears to be more of a project nature than a cross region I=
SOC member organisation.  No doubt it deserves support from ISOC, but we re=
main unconvinced that a chapter is the best choice, strategically.

-Peter Koch, ISOC.DE<http://ISOC.DE>, Member of the Board _________________=
______________________________
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed to =
this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapte=
r Portal (AMS): https://portal.isoc.org
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I appreciate your detaile=
d and thoughtful response to our concerns. For the record, our thoughts sho=
uld not in any way be interpreted to indicate that  we don’t
 believe this is an important, ISOC-wide activity, just that the current Ch=
apter model may not be the right fit. 
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From what we’ve hea=
rd, we agree that a Chapter is the only viable option at this time.  T=
herefore, the Disability and Special Needs Chapter
<b><u>supports</u></b> the creation of the InterPlanetary Networking Chapte=
r, with a request that ISOC look into the possibility of creating ISOC-wide=
 non-voting SIGs/Working Groups for technical topics in the future.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p><span style=3D"text-decoration:=
none"> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mark D. Urban<o:p></o:p></span></u><=
/b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",&quot=
;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vice-Chair, DSN Chapter.</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Michae=
l Snell [mailto:mjjsnell at gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Urban, Mark (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form an InterPlaneta=
ry Networking Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Hi Mark. Hope thin=
gs are well with you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto"> Let me try t=
o address your concern (and Peter Koch's concern). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto"> From ISOC&#8=
217;s website: “An Internet Society Chapter brings together individua=
l members of the Internet Society who share an interest and belief in the I=
nternet Society’s principles and mission and who are
 committed to furthering the Internet Society’s goals and objectives =
within your geographic or special interest area.”  The words &#8=
220;or special interest area” certainly seem to say that geography is=
n't the only thing that can define an ISOC chapter—as your chapter
 certainly demonstrates.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto"> Our interest=
 area is global in scope, not aligned with any particular geographic region=
. Indeed, it would not be wise to associate IPNSIG with any geographical re=
gion because that would inherently discourage
 membership from outside the region. To paraphrase Paul Brooks "If we'=
re going to be a SIG or project associated with a Chapter-- what chapter wo=
uld you propose?" While relatively close to the Jet Propulsion La=
boratory in Pasadena (about 6-7 hours driving time),
 that’s only one of the geographical centers of research and interest=
 in interplanetary networking. There are others centered on the East Coast,=
 in Sweden, in Ireland, in Greece, in Australia and other locations around =
the globe. Restricting it to a project
 or SIG associated with the San Francisco Bay Area Chapter (as it currently=
 is) makes it problematic to host events that do not limit participation to=
 the Northern California region. We are planning a major IPN event at Googl=
e HQ in Mountain View next January—but
 we are also planning one in the Washington, D.C. area late next year, and =
have just started discussions with the N4C community in Europe about hostin=
g an event there in 2015. We are doing this precisely because we recognize =
that our target audience and our
 membership is global.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Beyond that, techn=
ical concerns are often not just technical. There is an important societal =
concern element here that is core to ISOC values: the openness and transpar=
ency of the technical standards that
 drive the Internet. It is not an issue today. There really is no Internet =
in outer space-- yet. But we believe there should be, and that the same ope=
nness, transparency and trust issues will exist. It is not in the interest =
of the people of the earth to have
 space data communications remain the prerogative of competing nation state=
s. Commercialization of space will not supplant sovereign state "owner=
ship" of space exploration and eventual use of space resources without=
 it. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Work done by IPNSI=
G members over the past years has planted the seeds of this movement toward=
s transparency and openness. Standards have been developed, not in secret g=
overnment labs-- but under the auspices
 of IRTF. NASA has publicly released the core IPN software as open source c=
ode. The first chairman of IPNSIG (Adrian Hooke from the Jet Propulsion Lab=
oratory) founded the Consultative Committee for Space Data systems, whose m=
embership includes space agencies
 from almost every space-faring nation on the planet. That organization is =
in the process of adopting the Delay & Disruption Tolerant Networking (=
DTN) suite of protocols, which will foster cooperation and collaboration by=
 the world's space agencies, and pave
 the way for a trusted, trustworthy space infrastructure that will allow fo=
r the peaceful exploration and potential use of off-planet resources. =
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Furthermore, the a=
pplication of these DTN technologies towards solving terrestrial problems i=
s gaining momentum. The N4C community in the European Union has applied the=
m towards monitoring wildlife in remote
 regions, and there have been several proposals to use DTN to provide inexp=
ensive, secure network services to remote areas. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">We believe that th=
e interest and impact of IPN is global, and that, therefore, a global ISOC =
chapter is the best solution to both allow interested parties access to the=
 chapter, and to allow for global collaboration
 with regional chapters to further the development and deployment of DTN te=
chnologies. It deserves and needs a chapter's resources dedicated to it, ra=
ther than continuing as a project of SF Bay ISOC. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Mike Snell<o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">President, San Fra=
ncisco Bay Area Chapter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Secretary/Treasure=
r, IPNSIG<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Urban, Mark (CDC/OC=
OO/OCIO/ITSO) <<a href=3D"mailto:fka2 at cdc.gov" target=3D"_blank">fka2 at cd=
c.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Disability and Special Needs Chapter shares the =
same concerns as
<a href=3D"http://ISOC.DE" target=3D"_blank">ISOC.DE</a>. As the only Globa=
l Chapter, we can recognize the occasional need for a unique Chapter enviro=
ns.  However, in our case, the reasoning for the chapter was based upo=
n unique societal needs, rather than a technical
 interest.  A nonvoting SIG (Special Interest Group) might be the more=
 appropriate venue for consideration of these problems.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Mark D. Urban<br>
Vice Chair, ISOC DSN Chapter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org">chapter-=
delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-del=
egates-bounces at elists.isoc.org">chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org</=
a>] On Behalf Of Peter Koch<br>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:22 AM<br>
To: ISOC Chapter Delegates<br>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form an InterPlanetary Netw=
orking Chapter<br>
<br>
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 07:27:10AM +0000, Sabrina Wilmot wrote:<br>
<br>
> The following application for an InterPlanetary Networking Chapter has=
 been received. It is being sent to this list for peer comment and review.<=
br>
<br>
> FYI: The group had started their work in a Special Interest Group (&qu=
ot;IPNSIG") and is currently formally a project of the San Francisco B=
ay Area Chapter. The applicants state:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://ISOC.DE" target=3D"_blank">ISOC.DE</a> applauds the initi=
ative with the greatest respect towards the well renowned proponents. &nbsp=
;That said, we would like to ask for a clarification regarding chapter elig=
ibility.<br>
While there is at least one prominent example of a non-geographic chapter, =
the initiative appears to be more of a project nature than a cross region I=
SOC member organisation.  No doubt it deserves support from ISOC, but =
we remain unconvinced that a chapter
 is the best choice, strategically.<br>
<br>
-Peter Koch, <a href=3D"http://ISOC.DE" target=3D"_blank">ISOC.DE</a>, Memb=
er of the Board _______________________________________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed to =
this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society Chapte=
r Portal (AMS):
<a href=3D"https://portal.isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">https://portal.isoc.o=
rg</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<br>
to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<br>
Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href=3D"https://portal.isoc.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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