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time. We would like to get your inputs about this issue. I know many govts
have implemented filtering like this and all most all the report I have see=
n
suggest that this does more harm than good for the people. The situation in=
 a
country like Bangladesh deserves special care as there are millions of peop=
le
here who donot have basic education and are easily agitated by
inappropriate/fake content. To give you an idea about the seriousness of th=
e
issue, I would say that in a single day in February 40 people were dead!

Please let us know what you think can be done? What is the alternative? Doe=
s
global companies have more responsibility in making their policies such tha=
t
it takes care about issues in developing countries?

Thanks
Faisal Hasan, PhD
Internet Society Bangladesh Dhaka Chapter
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<div>It is also worth reading ICANN SSAC's report, SAC-056. It is available=
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<div>On 5/31/13 10:43 AM, "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:apisan at unam.mx">apisan at unam.mx</a>> wrote:</div>
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Shreedeep, Wyn, Faisal, Imran, all,
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<div>you may find some use for the Camden Principles published by an organi=
zation called Article 19, which explain and set some clear guidelines on th=
e possible limitations to free speech. They take the discussion we are havi=
ng here to a fairly reasonable conclusion:
 limitations on free speech have to be exceptional and legally mandated.</d=
iv>
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<div>The Camden Principles are in <a href=3D"http://www.article19.org/=
data/files/pdfs/standards/the-camden-principles-on-freedom-of-expression-an=
d-equality.pdf" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://www.art=
icle19.org/data/files/pdfs/standards/the-camden-principles-on-freedom-of-ex=
pression-and-equality.pdf</a> or
 abbreviated URL <a href=3D"http://bit.ly/rotdX7" target=3D"_blank" st=
yle=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://bit.ly/rotdX7</a></div>
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<div>They have been useful in some debates and campaigns. Some people feel =
that they should leave more room to restrain hate speech but there you have=
 it, a good basis for discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Article 19 also has a neat game-like tool to help understand these iss=
ues of free speech vs. hate speech, in <a href=3D"http://hatespeechexp=
lained.org/in-progress.html" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">h=
ttp://hatespeechexplained.org/in-progress.html</a> -
 hope you like it and find it useful in your communities. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A scholarly angle but simply explained by Zeynep Tufecki (@techsoch), =
whose work I highly recommend: <a href=3D"http://technosociology.org/?=
p=3D1135" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://technosociolo=
gy.org/?p=3D1135</a> </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Another useful basis for discussion is the academic work that shows or=
 discusses the effect of hate speech on free speech, a "chilling effec=
t" of importance. A starting point is the work of Prof. Danielle Citro=
n (close to Jonathan Zittrain and a great
 scholar) <a href=3D"http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewc=
ontent.cgi?article=3D2055&context=3Dfac_pubs" target=3D"_blank" style=
=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewconte=
nt.cgi?article=3D2055&context=3Dfac_pubs</a> on "Intermediari=
es
 and Free Speech".</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You may care to read a less-dense article which our friends in ISOC Ke=
nya may help validate (or the opposite): <a href=3D"http://www.eurasia=
review.com/28022013-tackling-online-hate-speech-in-kenya/?utm_source=3Dfeed=
burner&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3DFeed%3A+eurasiareview%=
2FVsnE+%28Eurasia+Review%29" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt;">http://www.eurasiareview.com/28022013-tackling-online-hate-speech-in=
-kenya/?utm_source=3Dfeedburner&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3DF=
eed%3A+eurasiareview%2FVsnE+%28Eurasia+Review%29</a></div>
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<div>Hope some of this helps while you are in the middle of the heated batt=
les in each of your countries.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yours,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alejandro Pisanty</div>
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<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org">chapter-delega=
tes-bounces at elists.isoc.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:chapter-delegates-bounce=
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il.com</a>]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 31 de mayo de 2013 00:10<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Winthrop Yu<br>
<b>CC:</b> Chapter Delegates; ISOC-PH Officers; ISOC Chapter Support<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Chapter-delegates] Content filtering and jurisdiction o=
f cyberspace<br>
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<div>Sympathize with the situation and act of what has happened, Internet i=
s open to all sort of content which to some extent has its pros and cons. I=
n one hand its openness is its key advantage and on the other at times it c=
an be a threat. I believe censoring
 or filtering content on regional basis by National authorities certainly c=
an result in  solving the problem instantly but in long run it may res=
ult in tragic consequence, so it is not a solution. Regional tolerance in r=
espect to value and social norms needs
 to be recognized and accepted.  <br>
<br>
I do understand the importance of censoring the web <span style=3D"bac=
kground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial,sans-=
serif">Dr. Faisal, but once the filtering/censoring  software is enabl=
ed it will be a direct approach from the authorities
 to regulate in the potent scenario of what content is appropriate&nbs=
p;or not. Regarding the banning,  will that solve the problem, I belie=
ve no it can always be overlooked by one or other means. The global communi=
ty should look into this matter in consideration
 with the conflict and chaos that has been created with just=
 one video. Moreover, a constructive solution can evolve with a better mech=
anism to deal with issue of social interest. Its high time we all think abo=
ut such issues as if 40 people have died in Bangladesh then
 that kind of act can happen anywhere due to lack of absence of considerati=
on and monitoring. <br>
<br>
<br>
</font></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sa=
ns-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I think its a more dynami=
c scenario which can be  contemplated with a broad ideology<=
/span><span style=3D"color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif=
; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> in
 safe guarding the social values and norms.</span><span style=3D"background=
-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color=3D"#222222" face=3D"arial,sans-serif">=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Winthrop Yu <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto:w.yu at gmx.net" target=3D"_blank">w.yu at gmx.net</a>><=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
  +1 Imran.<br>
<br>
  I sympathize with the problems that Dr. Faisal and many others aroun=
d the world face.  One thing is clear, telling governments that -- &qu=
ot;no, you cannot control" is not very productive.  Instead there=
 has to be a way to work around this and appeal to national
 and development interests.<br>
<br>
  As an example, in mid-September last year, our President signed an A=
nti-Cybercrime bill into law.  Earlier, ISOC-PH had written to our Low=
er House, after our Senate had passed their version of the bill.  (Ref=
.
<a href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/notes/internet-society-philippines-chap=
ter-isocph/isoc-ph-position-paper-on-anti-cybercrime-final-a4/2977007836317=
04" target=3D"_blank">
https://www.facebook.com/<u></u>notes/internet-society-<u></u>philippines-c=
hapter-isocph/<u></u>isoc-ph-position-paper-on-<u></u>anti-cybercrime-final=
-a4/<u></u>297700783631704</a> )<br>
<br>
  We were the only org (ICT, CS or otherwise) to attempt any intervent=
ion prior to enactment.  Happily, the Lower House did listen and their=
 version did not contain the contentious blocking or take-down provision. &=
nbsp;Unfortunately, this provision along with many
 others were inserted at the last minute during the BiCameral conference. &=
nbsp;As a result there was signficant push-back (including street action) f=
rom a wide spectrum of Philippine netizens.  That last is an important=
 point.<br>
<br>
  Formal petitions were then filed with our Supreme Court to have the =
law and/or several of its specific provisions struck down.  The SC iss=
ued a restraining order (TRO) which has suspended implementation of the law=
 until today.  During pleadings, the government's
 Solicitor General himself delcined to argue in defense of the blocking/tak=
e-down provision stating that his office found it possibly unconstitutional=
.  That was a major victory, and that provision will almost certainly =
be struck-down by the Supreme Court.<br>
<br>
  While the Supreme Court has not yet isssued any rulings on what we n=
ow call Anti-CybCrime v1, ISOC-PH is engaging with government (law enforcem=
ent agencies, Justice Dept.,etc.) and other orgs (IT Association of the Phi=
lippines, PH-CERT, etc.) to craft a v2
 version of Anti-CybCrime which focuses exclusively on CyberCrime issues an=
d excludes contentious content-related provisions, such as libel, cybersex,=
 and perhaps even spam.<br>
<br>
  At the same time, ISOC-PH also has to work closely and coordinate wi=
th other stakeholders who would prefer that there be no Anti-CybCrime law. =
 I personally find this goal impracticable and would prefer to have an=
 Anti-CybCrime law, *provided that*, its scope
 is carefully delimited and sufficient rights protections are in place. &nb=
sp;Else, there is the risk that other laws (perhaps not directly related to=
 CyberCrime) will be passed without the needed civil liberties and rights p=
rotections.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
WYn
<div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 5/31/2013 4:56 AM, Imran Anwar wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">Being a Pakistani born American, and having pioneered Int=
ernet services and<br>
co-founded .PK ccTLD for Pakistan, I can understand, appreciate and relate =
to<br>
Faisal's concerns about offensive content on the Internet.<br>
<br>
That being said, I am both confused, and concerned, about his blanket state=
ment<br>
"filtering is not a solution, instead efforts must be taken to remove =
content<br>
from the source." That to me is quite opposite to the whole idea of a =
free and<br>
open platform like the Internet.<br>
<br>
Granted some things, like child pornography, can be targeted for "remo=
ve content<br>
from the source" type efforts, but almost anything else on the Interne=
t is<br>
something that someone, somewhere, sometime or another, can find "obje=
ctionable"<br>
and come up with "valid" sounding excuses demanding it be taken o=
ff.<br>
<br>
So, much that I do not like the idea of governments, especially in developi=
ng<br>
nations, spending millions on trying to play the role of censor, or content=
<br>
monitor, trying to filter what may be unsuitable for them, it is, at least =
in my<br>
humble opinion, slightly more palatable than the idea of insisting that any=
 and<br>
all content anyone finds objectionable be removed from all sources.<br>
<br>
To me it sounds like developing nations with highly illiterate populations =
(and<br>
even the now political correctness fever ridden modern societies) need to l=
earn<br>
to ignore things rather than trying to control or erase what they find<br>
objectionable. Quite frankly, and sadly, I find it laughable how our fellow=
<br>
Muslims will use objectionable content (say a video or cartoon) to do thing=
s far<br>
more objectionable to God, and to Prophet Muhammad, like killing innocent p=
eople<br>
in "protests". Even the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not puni=
sh those who<br>
directly insulted him or even physically dumped things on him (some on a re=
gular<br>
basis when he used to say his prayers). It seems like current Muslims like =
to<br>
think they are representing Islam and the Prophet's way of life by doing th=
e<br>
exact opposite of what he did or would like to see.<br>
<br>
The answer to hate, or abuse, is not to go killing the messenger or destroy=
ing<br>
the medium, it is to engage the abuser magnanimously, or, at worse, ignorin=
g them.<br>
<br>
And an essential ingredient to going down that path is to promote education=
...<br>
<br>
As I often say in my speeches to different audiences on similar topics, the=
<br>
first word of Wahi that God sent Prophet Muhammad was not "Jihad"=
 or "Kill X, Y,<br>
Z" or "Block YouTube"...<br>
<br>
The word was... "Iqra".... READ....<br>
<br>
How ironic that it is the same Muslim countries populations that sadly have=
 the<br>
highest percentages of illiteracy, from Afghanistan to Pakistan, from Bangl=
a<br>
Desh to places in Africa.<br>
<br>
Let's teach people everywhere to engage, not offend, and to ignore if offen=
ded,<br>
than to go try to kill people or a platform.<br>
<br>
These are my personal opinions, not representing any organization, governme=
nt,<br>
business, or other individuals.<br>
<br>
<br>
Imran Anwar<br>
<a href=3D"http://imran.com" target=3D"_blank">http://imran.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://facebook.com/IMRAN.TV" target=3D"_blank">http://facebook.=
com/IMRAN.TV</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On May 30, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Faisal Hasan <<a href=3D"mailto:hasansf at gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">hasansf at gmail.com</a><br>
</div>
</div>
<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:hasansf at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">hasansf at g=
mail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:1=
px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">Dear Friends,<br>
<br>
Bangladesh Govt. plans to filter internet contents. We know that this optio=
n<br>
of filtering is not a solution, instead efforts must be taken to remove<br>
content from the source. The move actually stemmed from Google=92s refusal =
to<br>
take down the trailer of a religiously sensitive film from its website<br>
</div>
Youtube.com <<a href=3D"http://Youtube.com" target=3D"_blank">http://You=
tube.com</a>>. Bangladesh even asked Google to install a
<div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br>
mirror server for Bangladesh nine months ago so that such videos could be<b=
r>
filtered out. Youtube is still blocked in Bangladesh since last September.<=
br>
Recently, in Bangladesh the Internet has become a double edged sword which =
is<br>
used not only by activists to raise voice for legitimate reasons but also b=
y<br>
some bad politicians to provoke innocent people to create deadly violence. =
We<br>
have already have had 'our spring' last February. Clearly, the government i=
s<br>
in a dire situation.<br>
<br>

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