[Chapter-delegates] {Disarmed} Re: Happy third anniversary MemberNova initiative, was: Happy second anniversary membernova initiative

Wed Mar 15 03:00:47 PDT 2023

@ Joly how much does MemberNova cost ISOC a year?

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 11:59, Joly MacFie via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi, Klaus!
>
> Rome wasn't built in day!
>
> I kind of lost interest in this when the Accessibility SIG lost its status
> under the new SIG/SG setup. I got the role of Admin in the new
> Accessibility SG, only to find that actually there was zero responsibility
> as staff had taken over the entire AMS admin role!
>
> What's more the SG/SIG role precluded one from any officer role with
> a Chapter.
>
> Thus, I had no problem resigning recently, so I could take up the post of
> Acting Admin with the ISOC DC Chapter. As such, I have a renewed interest
> in AMS machinations.
>
> The thing I dread seeing is just how big a budget item this process is.
>
> Joly
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 4:21 AM Klaus Birkenbihl via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joly, hi chapter delegates,
>>
>> great! While extending our expectation we can happily celebrate today the
>> third anniversary of our "MemberNova initiative". Admitted, I missed a
>> privatissime with Nick and Christine (I assume the result would have been
>> what Joly got from Kyle.) But beside this there is not too much progress.
>> Everything I wrote wrt. anniversary #2 and before (see below) is still
>> valid.
>>
>> While not too surprised I payed a illuminating visit to *MailScanner has
>> detected a possible fraud attempt from "https:membernova.com" claiming to
>> be* https:membernova.com <https:membernova.com>. There I learned that
>> MemberNova is to "Take your membership organization to the next level.
>> MemberNova is a membership success platform to manage, engage, and grow
>> your organization." The  approach these guys have is a greedy, completely
>> centralized feature monster. So — despite of all promises from staff —
>> there is is no reason to expect, that they will deliver anything more
>> decentralized, with open interfaces prepared to respect different needs,
>> regional peculiarities or legal requirements. MemberNova remains a huge,
>> marble, white elephant: very shiny, expensive, inflexible and immobile.
>> Btw.: is it unfair to assume that some staff considers this rather an asset
>> than a miss?
>>
>> Obviously further discussion is not reasonable. Just let's celebrate,
>> kindly look forward to anniversary #4 of our precious "MemberNova
>> initiative" and continue to spend — and occasionally refuse — effort and
>> work for tasks, that computers should and could do for us - if only we had
>> a sound membership admin system.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>> Joly MacFie wrote on 15.03.22 13:04:
>>
>> Hi Klaus
>>
>> In an Accessibility SG call with Kyle Shulman yesterday, he indicated we
>> can expect a new AMS later in 2022.
>>
>> joly
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 6:49 AM Klaus Birkenbihl via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Chapter delegates,
>>>
>>> I am happy to congratulate the AMS/Membernova initiative at its second
>>> anniversary. Milestones during this second year:
>>>
>>>    - In October last year chapters admins were urged to specify their
>>>    requirements on base of a "Digital Transformation" questionnaire holding a
>>>    list of 91 questions. The deadline for an answer was within 2 weeks.
>>>    - I understand that the evaluation of such a survey takes some time.
>>>    A month or maybe two or three ... After half a year: did I miss the outcome
>>>    of this survey? Admitted: I'm annoyed since I spend quite some time to
>>>    seriously fill in the questionnaire under tight time constrains. I did this
>>>    while my inner voice warned me about the poor quality of the questionnaire
>>>    and the hopelessness to ever see any results.
>>>    - AMS/Membernova took another chance to get attention — even outside
>>>    the Internet Society. In December last year it leaked personal members
>>>    information. This was discussed in extenso on this mailing list. No need to
>>>    elaborate here.
>>>
>>> Did I miss something?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to the 3rd anniversary March 2023, best regards
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>> Klaus Birkenbihl schrieb am 08.03.21 um 15:36:
>>>
>>> Dear Chapter delegates,
>>>
>>> its now one year that we [Chapters admins] virtually gathered to discuss about urgently required improvements of membernova. [Anybody out there who can remember?] Some of us invested quite some work in this by tabling viable solutions to pressing issues.
>>>
>>> Not only that we don't see any significant improvement of the situation - we also don't have much indication yet, what requirements were accepted, what might be considered, and which were rejected and why. There was some sign of life last July when Christine made some noise wrt some minor improvements of the (purely point and click) user interface — which still provides no option for syncing bulk data.
>>>
>>> So the outcome - beside some very generic, not binding promises, and rather simple "improvements" — was negligible.
>>>
>>> A final quote from October [after I sent a reminder]: [Christine Saegesser schrieb am 20.10.20 um 09:43:]
>>>
>>>
>>> We expect to have an update by 20 November. Between now and then, Lauren’s team will contact you directly when additional information is needed.
>>>
>>> We look forward to the next “AMS Working Group” meeting, which was scheduled to take place in October, and will be in touch shortly with a suggested date for this.
>>>
>>> leaves me puzzled about the year.
>>>
>>> So lets be patient and look forward to the next anniversary in March 2022
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>>
>>> PS.: My offer still holds: AMS/Membernova can receive from me up-to-date info about legally registered Chapter members in any established data format at any time - as long as its not me who has to compare and feed membership changes one by one by hand into AMS. [Though you probably will do it anyhow]: please don't blame me or the Chapter for outdated data in AMS.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Klaus Birkenbihl
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