[Chapter-delegates] Chapter formation in Libya

[farhan khan]

Thanks Andrew for the detailed reply. I guess things are clear now.  The*
Internet Society Pakistan Islamabad Chapter strongly supports *the
application for a new Chapter in Libya and is looking forward to working
with all Chapter's *worldwide. *

Warm Regards,
Farhan Khan
President
*Internet Society Pakistan Islamabad Chapter*

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 10:03 PM Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm not Hana.  However,
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 05:55:58PM +0200, Amr Hashem via Chapter-delegates
> wrote:
>
> >working in Libya for 10 years and registered itself as ISOC.ly and I don't
> >see them as official partners in the proposed chapter.
>
> We do not have a trademark in every country in the world, and one of those
> places is Libya.  As a result, the group that uses the domain name isoc.ly
> is no more necessarily related to us than the International Society Of
> Cleaners would be. Certainly, some of the isoc.ly participants are
> members of and participants in the Internet Society, but we have no formal
> relationship with that organization.
>
> We cannot force people to affiliate with us; all we can do is invite
> them.  Chapters are legally independent entities that agree to certain
> processes and arrangements as part of us recognizing them as chapters.
> Those processes and arrangements were negotiated with the existing chapters
> of the Internet Society.  Some outside organizations do not want to adhere
> to all of those processes and arrangements.  Therefore,
>
> >Thus, I still think that ISOC may need a more effective role than its
> usual
> >process of forwarding invitations to participate in the proposed chapter.
>
> …this would be entirely improper for us to do, because it would deviate
> from the processes that every other chapter agreed to and agreed new
> chapters would be bound by.  We didn't impose these procedures
> unilaterally, but developed them in collaboration with our chapters.  As
> Hana noted, we invited our friends in isoc.ly to participate in this
> effort.  It is not clear that we are going to be successful in persuading
> them, and in the meantime another group wants to be recognized as a chapter
> in that geographica area.  Finally,
>
> >If ISOC executive team is not willing to play such a role at the moment, I
> >think our Members in Egypt might be capable of bringing the parties
> >together.
>
> …it is not a matter of willingness, but a matter of equal treatment.  We
> agreed to a set of procedures with the chapter community, and we follow
> those procedures.  If, however, members of the Internet Society or even
> existing chapters of the Internet Society think they may be of service to
> those in Libya who wish to create a chapter, and those Internet Society
> members in Libya are willing to undertake such a collaboration, there's
> certainly nothing wrong with that.  We are the Internet _Society_, after
> all.  We should certainly encourage development of those social bonds.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
>
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