[Chapter-delegates] FINAL REMINDER: Call for Nominations, ISOC Board of Trustees

[John More]

Veni

I can also agree that a much smaller sum would be significant for those from many parts of the world.  On that basis I would stand corrected and opt for a significantly smaller compensation. -:)

John

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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> Agree with Richard that perhaps paying is not the right way, but it's at least a way. You are also right that if we look through the years we see different folks, but the fact is that except for the folks, who come from industry (org members, IETF/IAB, etc.), it is becoming more and more difficult to find even candidate to apply. Talking about diversity (a conversation we have had several times, including last year), we see that the chapters are the ones, which provide the diversity to an extent impossible for the org members. 
> Imagine what would the BoT look like, if the chapters didn't have their Trustees running and elected - only white folks from North America and maybe 1 or 2 from Western Europe. I am not saying this is necessarily bad, I am just stating the fact. Since we have discussed that last year, and since the governance-reform list was also supposed to look into this question, I won't expand with more observations on that topic.
> On the issue of $ 150K or $ 50K. $ 50K is a generous compensation for people from majority of the world, while it is probably not so       generous, if you come from the US or Western Europe. I would say that even such a compensation might not be enough, because getting paid for spending time is one thing, the other is that people need to have current jobs that actually allow them to allocate *that* time. We come back to the fact that org members have this as part of their job description. Some university professor could probably also persuade their school that it would be good to participate. Retired people - sure thing. But if someone is running a business, or works for a company, which has no interest in helping ISOC.org to get people on the BoT, it will be a tough sell. 
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> On 1/6/22 10:15, Richard Barnes via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>> Hi Hank,
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>> I also was wondering if John had made a typo there.  To give you a sense of scale, paying $150k to each of 12 directors would consume roughly 5% of ISOC's total budget!  Even the $50k/yr rate you suggest would be a painful trade-off -- for the same money, we could fund more than 150 Beyond the Net grants ($50k * 12 / $3.5k = 171).  Personally, I have a hard time seeing how shifting that scale of money away from impact into trustees' pockets is a net positive for the Internet.
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>> At a more basic level, your taxonomy of who can participate without payment doesn't seem well-supported by the real-world data.  ISOC has never compensated its trustees, and if you look back at the list of people who have served as trustees (https://www.internetsociety.org/board-of-trustees/list-of-trustees/ <https://www.internetsociety.org/board-of-trustees/list-of-trustees/>), you can see that there are folks from many parts of the community.  Folks from industry, academia, and the nonprofit sector, from all around the globe.
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>> I don't disagree that maintaining the board's diversity is a continuing challenge.  But that doesn't mean that paying people is the way to solve it.  Adding the problems Ted notes to the trade-offs noted above, compensating trustees would likely cause more problems than it would solve.
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>> --Richard
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