[Chapter-delegates] ITU-T vs Internet

[Eric Tomson]

Hi all,

 

The ITU-T (formerly CCITT) cares for standards in Telecom, mainly layers 1 and 2 of the OSI model.

The Internet/TCP/IP cares for protocols in internetworking, limited to layers 3 to 7 of the OSI model (layers 5-6-7 being considered more or less one unique layer in TCP/IP).

There is extremely few overlap between ITU-T and Internet/TCP/IP, if any.

The latter does not care how you transmit bits and bytes between the routers : it can be Ethernet, FDDI, ATM, WiFi, 4G ; it can be electric signals, radio waves, light waves ; it can be ANY telecom/datacom technology.

The role of the Internet/TCP/IP family of protocols is limited to the above layers (3 to 7). It cares for datagram communication and packet exchange, not for frames transmission nor bits transport.

 

The Internet community has fought to keep control on the protocols, the RFCs, but also the administration and the management of the Internet.

As long as the IETF and the ICANN will run effectively, there are very few chances that the ITU-T would be able to take control on the Internet/TCP/IP world.

The Internet Society should probably focus on all non-technical matters, like the Internet usage, its social impact, its societal implications, etc.

No other organization has the opportunity, the space and the legitimacy to do so.

Just my opinion, though 😉

 

E.T.

 

 

De : Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> De la part de Frederic Taes via Chapter-delegates
Envoyé : jeudi 15 juillet 2021 09:49
À : Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
Cc : ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Objet : [Chapter-delegates] ITU-T vs Internet

 

Hi Dave,

 

As researcher I worked on several ITU-T standards, when ITU-T was fighting against the Internet DOD model. Take a look at X.25, are we talking about TCP/IP world? ITU-T is definitively NOT about Internet way of networking.

 

Read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.25 as basic example.

 

When I’m looking on whom/what influences the most Internet today, it’s IGF and ICANN coming first, far ahead a long list of other organisms. We should work to place ISOC in the top.

 

A book « four internets » has just been released (https://www.southampton.ac.uk/wsi/research/four-internets.page), with foreword from Vint Cerf. IMO, it is there that ISOC should be present. Like 10 years ago with https://youtu.be/OInTXcZ4HZM

 

Our member Eric Tomson (BTW, also founding member of PIR) just wrote an excellent article on why ISOC is unique, we are working on translation. I’ll post it here next week.

 

Best Regards,

Frederic Taes

ISOC.be President

 

Le 13 juil. 2021 à 21:28, Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> > a écrit :



The keynote speaker tomorrow, Doreen Bogdan-Martin of the ITU, can dispel the current confusion at ISOC about Vladimir Putin using the ITU to take over the Internet. With one exception in a decade, the ITU works by consensus and the US + EU can and has blocked any nonsense.

 

She also can explain how dozens of ISOC members can should attend the ITU meetings because we could really make a difference. (Especially in the study groups that make some important standards.)

 

ISOC has a free membership in ITU, which wants more non-government involvement. The Secretary-General reminded our CEO we can send as many representatives as we like. (The US sends 100.)

 

Currently. Andrew is blocking attendance by people like a founder of ISOC Israel, a distinguished technologist. Our policy lead explained we can;t allow even our most qualified members to attend, because they "might say something that isn't ISOC policy."

 

An easy and important way for ISOC to encourage membership, which has been effectively stagnant or declining for many years.

 

The great Cory Doctorow also is speaking, who has important ideas on how to limit the power of web giants.

 

Other than that, far too many lobbyists and uninformed ideologues. Every reason to welcome right wingers like Michele Connelly, a respected economist. But too many of the DC favorites get lost in their biases.

 

We really need to move IGF away from the lobbyist town, perhaps to a tech center like California.

 

Dave

 

 

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