[Chapter-delegates] [European-chapters] ISOC 2022 Action Plan

[Richard Hill]

Dear Andrew,

Thank you for the prompt reply to Veni.

Please see my embedded comments below.

Thanks and best,
Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: European-chapters [mailto:european-chapters-
> bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
> Sent: Friday, 10 December 2021 16:37
> To: Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates
> Cc: European Chapters
> Subject: Re: [European-chapters] [Chapter-delegates] ISOC 2022 Action
> Plan
> 
> Hi Veni!
> 
> Sorry to read that the 2022 Action Plan appears not to be to your
> liking.  Some specifics below.  (Note that I don't think I'm subscribed
> to the European chapter list, so I expect this will end up in moderation
> for some time on that list.)
> 
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 07:21:38AM -0500, Veni Markovski via Chapter-
> delegates wrote:
> 

SNIP

> >It is not a surprise that ISOC, which is based in the US, would engage
> >in such actions, but there's not a word about engaging with issues,
> >relating to actions (including court cases) at the European Union
> >level. As we all know from the GDPR experience, some of the decisions,
> >taken at the EU level have the potential to touch upon the Internet
> >around the world.
> 
> There is no question that decisions in the European Union affect the
> Internet, but I don't really understand what that has to do with a
> totally new program that is attempting to engage with US courts, which
> (owing to the nature of the US political system) make a _very large_
> number of decisions about how regulations will work in the US.  The US
> is, last I checked, still pretty influential in the way the Internet
> develops, 

That's a pretty US-centric view. As far as I can tell, European decisions
such as the GDPR and the so-called right-to-be-forgotten have had more of an
effect in the way the Internet develops than any recent US decision.

Not to mention that national decisions (e.g. the great Chinese firewall)
typically have more local effects outside the US than do US decisions.

>and so decisions by US courts have consequences for the
> Internet everywhere.

Yes, all decisions by national courts potentially affect the Internet
everywhere. But, as I said above, national decisions typically have greater
effect nationally.

SNIP