[Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice

[Mike Godwin]

First of all, let me apologize for seeming to be clever, or seeming to
attempt cleverness.

I take very seriously the fact that many members of this list oppose the
sale, and I entirely support their right to oppose it.

My concern about what seems to me to be efforts to suppress dissent is
genuine, but that means that nothing would please me more than to learn
that my impressions are incorrect.

I would prefer to believe that no dissent is being suppressed, procedurally
or any other way. I am happy if I can be proved wrong with regard to any of
the impressions I have expressed prior to now.

Please accept both my sincere apology and my reaffirmation of my sincere
concerns.

Mike


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 7:02 PM John More <morej1 at mac.com> wrote:

> Your aspersions are completely out of bounds.  Your cleverness about due
> process is only cleverness.
>
> I happen to be a supporter of the sale, since I believe the Trustees had a
> duty to diversify the assets of ISOC by getting out of the .org business.
> That is not to say, I think the process could not have been different and
> the the sort of protections now being implemented were not needed.
>
> I would have welcomed incorporating reflecting whatever dissent you wanted
> to make, especially if it were supporting the sale.
>
> John More
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Mike Godwin <mnemonic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Richard writes:
>
> 'With due respect, the ChAC process was scrupulously followed, as Eduardo
> has explained. You apparently think that that process is not appropriate.
> You are of course entitled to you views, but it is the process that was
> approved by the Board.'
>
> The notion that scrupulous adherence to due process is a defense is a
> common argument in Hell. See, e.g., this statement by Grant Gilmore:
>
>
> https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/342530-the-ages-of-american-law-the-storrs-lectures-series
>
> In relevant sentence: "In hell there will be nothing but law, and due
> process will be meticulously observed.”
>
> Your argument that that due process was "scrupulously" followed is no
> comfort to the dissenters whom you participated in suppressing.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 5:07 PM John More via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Juan
>>
>> I fully recognize how busy most of us are. There is a difference between
>> the elists which are often loaded with repetitious comments and can be a
>> waste of time. The ChapterAC process for the advice was clear and
>> scrupulously followed. Moreover, it involved relatively minimal time
>> demands except for those of us on the drafting committee. All that was
>> required was to review the draft and send in an email opposition. If there
>> had been opposition expressed, a vote would have been required.
>>
>> So I agree that silence is not assent, but it is a “consent" that the
>> proposal go forward without a formal vote, especially since withholding
>> consent was fairly easy to do.
>>
>> I do hope you will be able to be involved if the ChaptersAC has another
>> issue like this one.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> John More
>> ISOC-DC
>>
>> > On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Juan C. Cigala, Internet Society Canarias
>> via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I agree with Franca and Solomon, silence is not consent.
>> >
>> > Many of us haven't the time to take care of this kind of never ending
>> kind of discussions.
>> >
>> > I support the debate, but with the due respect for the time of the
>> others.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/27/2020 04:49, Solomon Hopewell Kembo via Chapter-delegates wrote:
>> >> I agree with Franca, silence is not consent.
>> >
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