[Chapter-delegates] Question about Chapter-Delegates list archives

Wed Jul 22 08:57:14 PDT 2020

Then the list should be renamed to: Chapter-Officers.

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On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:55 AM Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> The Chapter “Leaders” on the Chapter-Delegates list are all persons listed
> as “Chapter Officers” in the Chapter Portal. For some Chapters, these are
> the President, Secretary, Treasurer, ChAC representative, etc., some others
> also include the members of their Boards. As the terminology for these
> positions varies across regions, countries and languages, we’re using the
> term “Officer” in the Chapter Portal.
>
> It is thus the list of “Officers” as defined by each Chapter/SIG that is
> synched onto the “Chapter-Delegates” list.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> Christine
>
>
> On 22. Jul 2020, at 16:34, Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
>
> I'm curious to know what the definition of "Chapter Leader" is, and
> whether there is (or should be) a different definition of "Chapter
> Delegate."
>
> If there are "over 110 Chapters" and SIGs as stated on the ISOC website,
> that implies that there are, on average, 7+ Leaders/Delegates for each
> Chapter/SIG.
>
> Does that reflect the intent and purpose of this list?  Thanks!
>
> Greg
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>
>
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>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:33 AM Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As to the question about how many members there are on the
>> Chapter-Delegates list: there are currently 877 members, including all
>> current Chapter and SIG Leaders, as well as some ISOC staff and Board
>> members. The number of members on this list depends on the number of
>> current Chapter/SIG officers listed at any given time by the Chapters via
>> the Chapter Portal. The list is kept in synch with the offers listed there.
>>
>> To your question Alfredo, we are not sure on what basis this decision was
>> taken in 2009, but it is quite possible that this change happened by
>> accident as others have mentioned on the list. We have therefore set it
>> back to the original intended status, but would like to get a sense of what
>> the list members’ preference is via the poll here:
>> https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Christine
>>
>> On 22. Jul 2020, at 14:13, Alfredo Calderon via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> I actually agree with Veni. The strangest thing is how come 1,000
>> delegates (as cited) are on the list. Is it not suppose to be updated based
>> on the “actual-active” delegates per chapter.
>>
>> When and why was it changed from private to public? I believe that gors
>> against the whole purpose of the list.
>>
>> Even if the idea is to become a “transparent” organization, some business
>> needs to be carried-out in an environment that then allows the group to
>> organize ideas that will be shared in a coherent and “consensus way” to the
>> ISOC community.
>>
>> My 2 cents!
>>
>> Alfredo Calderon
>> Email: calderon.alfredo at gmail.com <calderon.alfredo at gmail.com>
>> Twitter: acalderon52
>> LinkedIn: pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52
>> Skype: alfredo_1212
>> Business Card: http://myonepage.com/acalderon
>> Blog: aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Judith Hellerstein via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Veni
>>
>> I agree with you. It should remain private. Possibly it was made public
>> by accident
>>
>> Best
>> Judith
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Judith at jhellerstein.com
>> Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Over a thousand people? Christine, aren’t the chapter delegates a smaller
>> number?
>> As to the “secrecy”, Dave, I see this more about question of trust among
>> ourselves, rather than a secrecy issue. Given the fact some people put
>> names, addresses and phones in their emails, it could be also a GDPR issue,
>> if it’s published on ISOC website.
>>
>> If it was started as a private list, it shouldn’t have been changed to a
>> public one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 07:17 Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> Something emailed to over a thousand people cannot be kept secret, so
>>> this restriction makes no sense.
>>>
>>> The last two CEO's of ISOC declared our work should be transparent.
>>>
>>> Let's live up to that and only keep secret that which absolutely must be
>>> secret.
>>>
>>> I can't even find out who our donors are, although I know several of
>>> them benefit from our policy advocacy.
>>>
>>> Makes us look like Astroturf. Good reporters will question our work.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:47 AM Christine Saegesser via
>>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> Some of you may have seen a question that came up on the
>>>> Internet-Policy list concerning the archive of the Chapter-Delegates list
>>>> (see: https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/).
>>>>
>>>> I’d like to follow-up here and share some background, but also get a
>>>> sense of what the preference of the list members is:
>>>>
>>>> *Background: *
>>>>
>>>> The Chapter-Delegates list is a list that was created for current
>>>> Internet Society Chapter leaders to have a place to get information
>>>> relevant to their Chapter, to their leadership positions and a place for
>>>> them to discuss and share issues pertinent to the Internet Society Chapter
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> The list was intended to be a private discussion place for current
>>>> leaders only and has been set up like that in 2005. The archive was
>>>> therefore also private to current list members.
>>>> It was brought to our attention that the list archive was made public
>>>> in 2009. We are not sure on what basis this decision was taken at the time
>>>> and have therefore set it back to the original intended status.
>>>>
>>>> *Question: *
>>>>
>>>> This is a list that is there for all of you to use and we’d thus like
>>>> to hear what the preference of the list members is with regards to keeping
>>>> the list archives private (to the list members) as opposed to making them
>>>> public.
>>>>
>>>> Please add your answer to that question by clicking on this link before
>>>> 30 July: https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!!!
>>>>
>>>> Christine
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>> Best regards,
>> Veni Markovski
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>>
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>>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed
>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
>> Chapter Portal (AMS):
>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society
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>> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login
>> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct:
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
>>
>
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