[Chapter-delegates] Question about Chapter-Delegates list archives

Wed Jul 22 07:34:50 PDT 2020

I'm curious to know what the definition of "Chapter Leader" is, and whether
there is (or should be) a different definition of "Chapter Delegate."

If there are "over 110 Chapters" and SIGs as stated on the ISOC website,
that implies that there are, on average, 7+ Leaders/Delegates for each
Chapter/SIG.

Does that reflect the intent and purpose of this list?  Thanks!

Greg
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:33 AM Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As to the question about how many members there are on the
> Chapter-Delegates list: there are currently 877 members, including all
> current Chapter and SIG Leaders, as well as some ISOC staff and Board
> members. The number of members on this list depends on the number of
> current Chapter/SIG officers listed at any given time by the Chapters via
> the Chapter Portal. The list is kept in synch with the offers listed there.
>
> To your question Alfredo, we are not sure on what basis this decision was
> taken in 2009, but it is quite possible that this change happened by
> accident as others have mentioned on the list. We have therefore set it
> back to the original intended status, but would like to get a sense of what
> the list members’ preference is via the poll here:
> https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX
>
> Best,
>
> Christine
>
> On 22. Jul 2020, at 14:13, Alfredo Calderon via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> I actually agree with Veni. The strangest thing is how come 1,000
> delegates (as cited) are on the list. Is it not suppose to be updated based
> on the “actual-active” delegates per chapter.
>
> When and why was it changed from private to public? I believe that gors
> against the whole purpose of the list.
>
> Even if the idea is to become a “transparent” organization, some business
> needs to be carried-out in an environment that then allows the group to
> organize ideas that will be shared in a coherent and “consensus way” to the
> ISOC community.
>
> My 2 cents!
>
> Alfredo Calderon
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>
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Judith Hellerstein via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Veni
>
> I agree with you. It should remain private. Possibly it was made public by
> accident
>
> Best
> Judith
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Judith at jhellerstein.com
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>
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Veni Markovski via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Over a thousand people? Christine, aren’t the chapter delegates a smaller
> number?
> As to the “secrecy”, Dave, I see this more about question of trust among
> ourselves, rather than a secrecy issue. Given the fact some people put
> names, addresses and phones in their emails, it could be also a GDPR issue,
> if it’s published on ISOC website.
>
> If it was started as a private list, it shouldn’t have been changed to a
> public one.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 07:17 Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Christine
>>
>> Something emailed to over a thousand people cannot be kept secret, so
>> this restriction makes no sense.
>>
>> The last two CEO's of ISOC declared our work should be transparent.
>>
>> Let's live up to that and only keep secret that which absolutely must be
>> secret.
>>
>> I can't even find out who our donors are, although I know several of them
>> benefit from our policy advocacy.
>>
>> Makes us look like Astroturf. Good reporters will question our work.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:47 AM Christine Saegesser via Chapter-delegates
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> Some of you may have seen a question that came up on the Internet-Policy
>>> list concerning the archive of the Chapter-Delegates list (see:
>>> https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/private/chapter-delegates/).
>>>
>>> I’d like to follow-up here and share some background, but also get a
>>> sense of what the preference of the list members is:
>>>
>>> *Background: *
>>>
>>> The Chapter-Delegates list is a list that was created for current
>>> Internet Society Chapter leaders to have a place to get information
>>> relevant to their Chapter, to their leadership positions and a place for
>>> them to discuss and share issues pertinent to the Internet Society Chapter
>>> community.
>>>
>>> The list was intended to be a private discussion place for current
>>> leaders only and has been set up like that in 2005. The archive was
>>> therefore also private to current list members.
>>> It was brought to our attention that the list archive was made public in
>>> 2009. We are not sure on what basis this decision was taken at the time and
>>> have therefore set it back to the original intended status.
>>>
>>> *Question: *
>>>
>>> This is a list that is there for all of you to use and we’d thus like to
>>> hear what the preference of the list members is with regards to keeping the
>>> list archives private (to the list members) as opposed to making them
>>> public.
>>>
>>> Please add your answer to that question by clicking on this link before
>>> 30 July: https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/G7XTRLX
>>>
>>> Thanks!!!
>>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>>>
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