[Chapter-delegates] Bank Accounts was - deadline for admin funding

[sivasubramanian muthusamy]

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:10 AM Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 05:15:59PM +0800, Winthrop Yu via
> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> >IIRC, the "Chapters Letter" was largely a top-down set of conditions
> >set by ISOC HQ. If there were any compromises made on the Chapter
> >Letter, i do not recall them at the moment and would appreciate being
> >reminded of them.
>
> I'm afraid I can't speak about the negotiations: I was not a party to them


No Andrew.  You own these past negotiations now.


> , since they generally happened before I joined the Internet Society
> staff.  What I do know is that chapters were then and remain independent
> organizations, and by the time I started a significant majority had already
> signed, suggesting to me that whatever negotiation happened met their
> concerns.  After all, if not, they would not have signed, since plainly the
> loss of many chapters over such a dispute would have been bad for the
> Internet Society and therefore the management of the time would have taken
> concerns into account.
>
> >During one of those calls i recall ISOC HQ (Chrstine?) mentioning that
> >alternatives would be provided for this "bank account in the chapters'
> >name" requirement. Again IIRC, "alternatives" mentioned included
> >possibly coursing funds thru a fully and legally registered NGO in
> >that country (perhaps somewhat similar to the "fiscal sponsorship"
> >mentioned by Judith and Joly)' or to a bank account jointly in the
> >name of two or more chapter officers certified by that chapter.
>
> One of the problems with recollection is that it's not the same among
> everyone (even if everyone was present), so I just couldn't speak to what
> you remember even if I'd been on that call.  Regardless, I believe that it
> _would_ be possible, under the current chapter engagement letter
> arrangements, for a chapter to find a home inside an NGO who can provide
> the requisite financial shelter.  I believe (but cannot confirm) that this
> is a funds-flow model that has been used successfully by other US 501(c)(3)
> charities.  Chapters are independent organizations, and the effects of the
> law between the US and any other country is not something I feel competent
> to speculate about, but I suspect this model is something that needs to be
> worked out case by case.  I am also reasonably confident (but not certain,
> and I'm working to get better information) that it would not be acceptable
> for the Internet Society itself to be facilitating that relationship.  I am
> quite confident that the "two or more c
>  hapter officers" approach is not acceptable given the constraints under
> which we work.
>
> > yet now we are informed that even those chapters
> >who do already have a bank account in their name but are not formally
> >registered as a "legal organization" may be denied funding.
>
> I have read this thread many times as well as the chapter engagement
> letter form, and I do not see this claim.  Can you point it out to me,
> please?
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
>
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