[Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice

Thu Feb 27 01:26:04 PST 2020

I agree with Carlos, the message was constructive. If there is no call 
for voting then the conclusion for consensus is appropriate.

Regards,

Borka ISOC-SI

Carlos Vera via Chapter-delegates je 27. 02. 2020 ob 02:45 napisal:
> Great and constructive!
>
> Carlos Vera
> Isoc Ecuador
>
>> El 26 feb. 2020, a la(s) 20:22, John More via Chapter-delegates 
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escribió:
>>
>>  Richard
>>
>> My apologies.  You are absolutely correct that the consensus call 
>> (including silence) is to be taken as approval of the 
>> recommendations. When helping draft the policies and procedures for 
>> the ChAC, i fully supported consensus as the proper procedure for 
>> obtaining approval, unless there was a call for a formal vote.  There 
>> was no call for a vote in this instance.
>>
>> I note further that the draft recommendations were circulated.  There 
>> were calls for comments.  Richard did a great job incorporating 
>> comments. An adequate time was given to express opposition to the 
>> consensus. An reminders were sent out for the deadline
>>
>> I am afraid my comment, which was entirely personal, came from my 
>> wishing there had been more active engagement .
>>
>> So, again, the consensus procedure was correct and stands as approval 
>> by the Chapters of the proposed recommendations.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> John
>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch 
>>> <mailto:rhill at hill-a.ch>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>> I disagree with your inference below. The consensus call clearly 
>>> indicated that lack of opposition (silence) would indicate approval. 
>>> That’s not an unusual way to seek approval, it it is used in many 
>>> circumstances.  And it is the method foreseen in the ChAC’s 
>>> operating rules.
>>> So, if we believe  in rules and procedures, then we must accept that 
>>> the advice represents the consensus of the Chapters.
>>> Best,
>>> Richard
>>> *From:*Chapter-delegates 
>>> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org]*On Behalf Of*John 
>>> More via Chapter-delegates
>>> *Sent:*mercredi, 26. février 2020 15:30
>>> *To:*Gonzalo Camarillo
>>> *Cc:*Chapters AC Elist; Chapter Delegates
>>> *Subject:*Re: [Chapter-delegates] ChAC-SC Advice notice
>>> Gonzalo
>>> The failure of the large majority of Chapter delegates to 
>>> communicate in the call for consensus does indicate that the 
>>> recommendations do not reflect a broad consensus in the ISOC 
>>> community.  They reflect the concerns of the more activist Chapters.
>>> Yours,
>>> John More
>>> Delegate, ISOC-DC
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-delegates 
>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org 
>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>>> Hi Eduardo,
>>> thanks for putting together the three documents with advice to the 
>>> Board. The Board will discuss them and get back to you in order to 
>>> continue the dialog.
>>> In addition, as you know, we have been working for several years 
>>> with you and the previous ChAC chairs to find ways for us to engage 
>>> the community more effectively. Unfortunately, that still seems to 
>>> be a challenge. Per the thread below, where you seem to have 
>>> discussed this advice, around 80 to 85% of our 124 chapters did not 
>>> participate in the discussions or express any opinion on the advice 
>>> at all:
>>> https://connect.internetsociety.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=2ee50649-4a00-4918-83a5-4c8a9a7c7a4c
>>> We hope to continue working with you on finding ways to engage a 
>>> much larger fraction of our community in the future, especially when 
>>> dealing with important issues.
>>> With the above in mind, it is unfortunately inappropriate to say 
>>> that this advice was approved by *unanimous* consensus since most of 
>>> the community did not even participate in the discussions (after 
>>> receiving your advice, several people from different chapters indeed 
>>> told me they had actually not noticed the discussions on the advice 
>>> at all). Therefore, I am cc'ing the 'Chapter Delegates' mailing list 
>>> on this email so that as many people as possible from our community 
>>> are aware of these advice and our upcoming response.
>>> I have also noticed that you decided not to include any information 
>>> that was made available after February 10th, including the recently 
>>> announced PIC. Well, we can discuss that on the webinar on Friday. I 
>>> am looking forward to that.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Gonzalo
>>> Chair - ISOC Board of Trustees
>>> *From:*Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>>
>>> *Sent:*Monday, February 24, 2020 04:22
>>> *To:*Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com 
>>> <mailto:gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com>>; Kevin Craemer 
>>> <Craemer at isoc.org <mailto:Craemer at isoc.org>>
>>> *Cc:*Chapters AC Elist <ChaptersAC-SC at elists.isoc.org 
>>> <mailto:ChaptersAC-SC at elists.isoc.org>>
>>> *Subject:*ChAC-SC Advice notice
>>> Distinguished Members of the Board:
>>> The Chapter Advisory Council Steering Committee (ChAC-SC) is 
>>> submitting the following advice for your consideration:
>>>
>>>  1. Advice 2020.02.13-01 ::_The sale of PIR to Ethos Capital should
>>>     not proceed unless a number of conditions are met.
>>>     <https://isoc.box.com/s/amwx365bl2w38gh3laxneo2pv1q4w1jy>_
>>>  2. Advice 2020.02.13-02 ::ISOC constituencies must be consulted
>>>     <https://isoc.box.com/s/3gey7i3gbqomurwfhhuvxqq49ms0hwm3>
>>>  3. Advice 2020.02.13-03 ::Changes to ISOC’s Bylaws to strengthen
>>>     Advisory Councils and Chapters
>>>     <https://isoc.box.com/s/fhl9ako4i1a4m2ivxuaez42y4vapeoyb>
>>>
>>> The Full Chapter Advisory Council (Full ChAC) approved all Advice by 
>>> unanimous consensus. No objections were received by the set deadline.
>>> Please note that Advice #1 is based on information available as of 
>>> 10 February 2020.
>>> Thank you for the opportunity to work with you to make ISOC a better 
>>> organization.
>>> Eduardo Díaz
>>> Chair
>>> ChAC-SC
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