[Chapter-delegates] Is Gonzalo right we are not multi-stakeholder?

[Joly MacFie]

I transcribed those recordings. To my knowledge, Gonzalo never said “We are
not a multistakeholder organization. “

In fact, the opposite.

He emphasized that the current model of multistakeholder governance - the
composition of the board - is not immutable, and can be discussed.

If I made a mistake in my transcription, I’d like to know, so I can fix it.
And apologize to Gonzalo.

Joly



 9 at 8:55 PM Dave Burstein via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Vint, Steve, Tony
> cc'd because I'm suggesting below you will be the first to defend
> multi-stakeholder at ISOC, whatever you think of PIR.
>
> Gonzalo
>
> Thanks for engaging. I know it's hard to stay active when so many people
> on the Internet are saying you made a very bad decision. I've publicly
> disagreed with the commentators who called you a crook.I know you are not.
>
> I wish you had done what Andrew did, saying simply "We are a
> multi-stakeholder organization." (We can discuss elsewhere just what that
> means.)
>
> You can and you should swallow your pride and make a simple statement,
> that ISOC is a multi-stakeholder organization. If you say you don't want to
> discuss the matter while a court case may be pending, say so. I'll assume
> that means you will support multi-stakeholder as soon as PIR is not an
> issue.
>
> I've said more than enough about PIR. I'm talking here about the nature of
> ISOC, especially now we may have a $billion endowment.
>
> You're right that the statue does not require us to be a multi-stakeholder
> or membership organization, which may be relevant in the Pennsylvania court
> case. But the statue merely sets basic requirements. An organization can go
> further in defining itself, unless that conflicts with the statue.
>
> But the Internet Society can and has decided to be multi-stakeholder. This
> has been said by every official and board member I've heard in the
> eight years I've been active. CEO Kathy Brown said it at a board meeting
> you attended, I believe. If I'm remembering correctly, you have said the
> same thing.
>
> It's been said dozens of times in official ISOC publications and on our
> web pages. We have said it when soliciting members. I  think I remember it
> in an ITU filing. It was taken for granted in almost every relevant
> discussion. I've discussed it easily a dozen times with ISOC officials; we
> disagreed on what it meant, perhaps, but no one disputed that we are
> multi-stakeholder.
>
> We paid Larry Strickling $200,000 dollars for work explaining why how
> important multi-stakeholder is. Andrew testified before Congress and I
> believe said there how important multi-stakeholder is.
>
> IANAL, and I don't know if the repeated commitments by our CEO, Board
> Chair, and official documents require us by law to be multi-stakeholder.
> Our expensive lawyers think that the Pennsylvania court will not require us
> to go further than the statue. It's irrelevant to PIR at this point,
> because any litigation on the subject wouldn't be settled in time to affect
> PIR.
>
> But everyone in ISOC has believed we are multi-stakeholder, by our own
> choice if not under the statue. If you think that should be changed, bring
> it to the Board and the community. If you did, and PIR is settled, I'd hope
> Vint Cerf, Steve Crocker, Tony Rutkowski, and our other founders will be
> the first to shoot it down.
>
> Incidentally, I believe you have questioned whether multi-stakeholder is
> right, possibly in another event. You may have misspoken. So clarify your
> opinion now, please.
>
> Should the Internet Society be multistakeholder, which you say might
> require future Board approval?
>
> Please say yes.
>
> Dave Burstein
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:21 AM Gonzalo Camarillo <
> gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> > However, Gonzalo, the Board Chair, said we are not
>> > multistakeholder. "We might consider that in the future."
>> >
>> > I hope someone makes clear to Gonzalo that multistakeholder is right.
>>
>> Please, go back to the recordings or to the transcript if you are
>> interested in what I *actually* said ;-) I did not express any opinion
>> on whether the current model is "right" or wrong. I just explained
>> what the current model looks like.
>>
>> What I said is that the governance of ISOC is defined in the bylaws
>> and was agreed with the community. There is a board of trustees, who
>> is elected or selected by chapters, orgs, and the IETF. I am not sure
>> whether or not you consider that model to be a multistakeholder model.
>>
>> In any case, we can certainly discuss changes to the governance model
>> at some point. However, we should keep those more-general discussions
>> separate from the current discussions about PIR. Also, those
>> discussions need to involve the whole community. For instance, last
>> time the governance was changed, the org members agreed to reduce the
>> number of trustees they could appoint (from six to four) so that
>> chapters could also appoint the same number of trustees (four).
>>
>> In addition, as I also mentioned in the call, lately I have been
>> discussing with the chairs of the OMAC and of the ChAC how to get the
>> community more involved in the Nomcom process by having the ACs be,
>> in turn, more involved in looking for volunteers to serve in the
>> Nomcom every year.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>
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