[Chapter-delegates] Today: IGF Berlin Dynamic Coalition joint meeting of the DCs on Core Internet Values and the Internet of Things.

Fri Nov 29 00:06:59 PST 2019

Dear Dave,

Please do join the session, if you are there in Berlin, and feel free to
intervene, we will find your views valuable.

Thank you.

Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
twitter.com/shivaindia

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com> wrote:

> Folks
> Good to discuss something beyond the PIR deal.
>
> I'm partly involved in policy but mostly work on the tech side. From the
> practical point of view, here are things that must change deliver what we
> want.
>
> We need to include more people directly involved in making IoT devices and
> building the networks. For example, successful IoT connections need to cost
> $5 or much less. (My reporting and research). Who hear will speak up when
> implementing the discussion raises the cost so high it will almost surely
> be ineffective? If we don't have strong input from the engineers in the
> real world, it's easy to be discussing ideas likely to be ignored.. How do
> we fix that?
>
> Something that belongs in the heart of the IoT discussion is the crucial
> position of 3GPP & the wireless phone companies. In the 3GPP standards
> discussion, technical decisions have been made that in practice pre-empt
> many of the goals being discussed here. On a practical level, the 3GPP
> standard is where the action is on much of this. Much of the implementation
> of "security by design" will occur at the network and equipment design
> level.
>
> Put another way, the IGF discussion is likely to focus on "high order
> principles" when most of the practical decisions are being made in
> standards and implementation. Most "high-order principles" are so general
> it's difficult to project their interpretation in practical systems. It
> even more difficult to take effective action or enforcement of very vague
> ideas.
>
> So:  How do people who care about accountable development purchase and use
> of iot get involved with the practical decisions, mostly made in 3GPP
> (wireless), IEEE 802.11 (Wi-Fi), and ITU Study Groups (important.) ?
> The right answer: Either through ISOC or other means, make sure the public
> interest is represented in 3GPP. I have already spoken with some of the
> leaders, who agree this should happen. I can't do it myself; I barely have
> the travel budget to get to meetings.
>
> 3GPP is entirely corporate controlled, mostly by about a dozen giants.
> (Qualcomm, Huawei, AT&T, Ericsson, China Mobile ...). The public
> interest/civil society is totally unrepresented.
> Vint Cerf has said 3GPP should be multi-stakeholder. How can we make it so?
>
> Also, Andrew Sullivan has just written on the need for all to work
> together collaboratively.
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/11/we-wont-save-the-internet-by-breaking-it/> But
> the speakers are overwhelmingly from the US and Europe (or closely
> connected.) The global South is now two-thirds of the Internet and growing
> much faster than the US & Europe. I've long believed that initiatives
> without strong participation from the global South will fall short. How do
> we avoid a mostly US & European group trying to make rules for the rest of
> the world?
>
> Particularly missing is the 25-40% of the Internet that is Chinese or the
> emerging colossus which is India. (Over 400M 4G connections in the last
> four years.) The strong majority of devices for IoT and wireless are now
> manufactured in China. Even European companies like Ericsson and Nokia make
> sure to conform to Chinese standards so they can sell in China.
>
> How do we bridge that gap so that the ideas here are put into practice.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 1:28 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy via
> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Please join us for the Joint DC-IoT / DC-CIV meeting at the IGF Berlin
>>
>> Today
>>
>> Friday November 29, 2019 09:30 - 13:00
>> Raum IV Sonnenallee 225, 12057 Berlin, Germany
>>
>>
>> Details:
>> www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-data-governance-on-the-internet-space-by-the-internet-model
>>
>> https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2019-accountable-development-purchase-and-use-of-iot
>>
>>
>> Part I 9:30-11:00 - IOT - Avri Doria as moderator.
>> Part II  11.30 - 1 am  - Olivier Crepin-LeBlond as moderator.
>>
>> 1. Intro by MB & OCL (10 minutes total)
>>
>> 2. What prerequisites are important from a security perspective, to
>> ensure that IoT can be trusted not to be harmful to its users, nor the
>> wider Internet; for example by, being weaponised as a tool for DDOS attacks
>> or being used as attack vector on the users, themselves?
>>
>> 3. Actions that support a secure Internet (of Things), globally, across
>> silos and geographies - what needs to be done (security by design for the
>> world)
>>
>> 4. Open Discussion on IoT Security by Design
>>
>> 5. Sum up part 1 (5 minutes)
>>
>> 6. Preparing for Part II - Does IoT Security by Design break Core
>> Internet Values? What ethical considerations are important in the
>> deployment and use of IoT?
>>
>> --- 11 am Coffee BREAK ---
>>
>> Part II 11:30-13:00 - CIV - OCL moderating
>>
>> 1. Reviewing Part I on IoT (short summary and conclusions of Part 1) -
>> Maarten Botterman
>>
>> 2. Reminder of Core Internet Values (Sivasubramanian Muthusamy - remotely)
>>
>> 3. What ethical considerations are important for development, deployment
>> and use of IoT, in order to ensure that we are creating sustainable
>> solutions with IoT? Aspects to be considered range from affordability and
>> deployability where needed, to transparency of choice; clarity on data
>> sharing and protection of privacy.
>>
>> (We will also examine Data Issues from the perspective of Stability and
>> Resilience, by the topic "Data Governance on the Internet Space, by the
>> Internet Model" with a view to argue for a harmonized global IG approach to
>> Data Governance)
>>
>> 4. A summarised 6F Framework proposal - Alejandro Pisanty (3 pages)
>>
>> 5. Looking ahead – which issues will become relevant in the future for
>> IoT development, affecting the broader Internet. This provides an open
>> microphone for new issues to address in the context of future use of IoT
>> and recognition of Core Internet Values.
>>
>> 6. Open Discussion
>>
>> -- end ---
>>
>> Confirmed speakers as follows:
>>
>> DC - IoT panelists include Chair: Maarten Botterman. Speakers, including:
>> government officials, Frederic Donck, Internet Society, Eddan Katz, World
>> Economic Forum, Max Senges, Google, Marco Hogewoning RIPE NCC, Jonathan
>> Cave, University of Warwick, and others.
>>
>> DC - Core Internet Values panelists:
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty, UNAM, Mexico (confirmed)
>> Jimson Olufuye PhD CEO Kontemporary, Africa ICT Alliance, Nigeria
>> (confirmed)
>> Marilyn Cade, CEO, mCADE llc, United States (apologies)
>> Matthew Shears, ICANN Board, United Kingdom (confirmed)
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy (confirmed remote participant)
>> Thomas Rickert, Attorney at Law, Owner Rickert RA-GmbH, Germany
>> (confirmed)
>> Vint Cerf, Google, United States (confirmed for this part only)
>> Fiona Alexander in her new role. ( formal confirmation awaited)
>>
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>
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