[Chapter-delegates] Call with Chapters in advance of the ITU Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00 UTC)

Sat Nov 3 23:43:51 PDT 2018

Hi all,
Since it is my first time attending an ITU related conference in person as
an ISOC fellow, a member of ISOC delegate. I could see the importance of
ISOC engagement at the regional level in an earlier stage to be able to
take an instrumental role in drafting the region position.

Trying to advocate at this stage, it does help in tuning the text while it
is going through the drafting stages. However, as I could hear from some of
the member state delegates that they are in disagreement of their region
perspective and they try to make their point heard during the discussions.

What we as community can do now to strongly advocate with parntner sector
members to push towards giving the sectors members an equal say. At the
discussion on the "Internet document" there is a need to keep the proposed
inclusion of sectors members engagement as part of the document which is
under preperations.

Best wishes,
Nadira AL-Araj
ISOC fellow to the PP18

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018, 07:41 Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> it's happening, as reported in social media. Drafting by a huge committee,
> resolutions in the ITU Plenipotentiary that are out of scope for the
> organization, while all "sector members" (i.e. companies and operators) and
> organizations like ISOC have 1.5 rows of seats at the back of the room,
> without power outlets. See this figure:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Can we in ISOC Chapters promptly draft a petition to each of our
> governments, easy to translate into many languages, to demand that they
> vote to fullly retire this resolution? We certainly can do it without
> becoming subservient to the OTTs or any other private, for-profit
> interests, going instead against "mission creep" (an unjustifiable growth
> in scope of the ITU) and its negative effects on the Internet. What do
> other Chapter delegates think?
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 11:50 AM Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:
>
>> Please see below.
>>
>>
>> Thanks and best,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Alejandro Pisanty [mailto:apisanty at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2018 18:32
>> *To:* Richard Hill
>> *Cc:* Elizabeth Oluoch; ISOC Chapter Delegates
>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Call with Chapters in advance of the
>> ITU Plenipotentiary 2018 (18 Oct, 10:00 and 20:00 UTC)
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>>
>>
>> SNIP
>>
>>
>>
>> The first type of violation experienced in large ITU conferences is the
>> schedule. There is an evident sigh when the first meeting after dinner is
>> called. It goes from then on.
>>
>>
>>
>> >RH: I’m not sure what you mean here. Perhaps the fact that, towards the
>> end of conference, meetings are called at night? That’s actually a common
>> feature of many intergovernmental negotiations, it is not just ITU.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other type of egregious violation consists of suddenly superseding
>> the supposedly tidy, long rules-compliant process of building up text for
>> resolutions through national and regional preparatory processes to drafting
>> and negotiating text on the fly.
>>
>>
>>
>> >RH: That’s not a violation of the rules. On the contrary, it is exactly
>> what is foreseen in the rules: written inputs are just that, inputs, and
>> the output text is negotiated during meetings, taking into account not just
>> the written inputs, but also the verbal comments from the people present at
>> the meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> The third thing ISOC representatives attending the Plenipot should be
>> wary of is of consultants who appear to be friendly to the Internet but are
>> actually doing hack jobs for operators and governments; and sometimes both,
>> as some operators are owned by governments or closely allied. This gets to
>> the point of becoming a fifth column against the long-term evolution of a
>> free, open Internet for all. Fortunately just watching who they sit with
>> over sessions - in the middle of enfranchised participants,
>>
>>
>>
>> >RH: many countries allow non-state actors to sit in national delegations.
>>
>>
>>
>> while ISOC is given one chair in the last table at the end of the room
>>
>>
>>
>> >RH: indeed non-state participants are seated at the back of the room,
>> behind the states whose name starts with the letter Z.  But nothing
>> prevents ISOC members from asking to be part of a national delegation, and
>> indeed some people do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> - is enough to unmask them.
>>
>>
>>
>> >RH: The fact that a person is sitting in a national delegation does not
>> imply that the person holds any particular position. Further, most national
>> delegations do not allow non-government people to speak, so such persons
>> are in fact observers with fewer rights than the people sitting in the ISOC
>> delegation, since the members of the ISOC delegation can ask to speak.
>>
>>
>>
>> SNIP
>>
>
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