[Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation campaign

Sun Jan 28 09:48:04 PST 2018

Todd wrote in the AC list that they didn’t get big amounts — something that
was expected, given there’s no incentives, if one pays. I hope he’ll post
the answer here, as well.

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:27 Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks  Todd.  I am also curious on the positive and negative feedback.
>
> Interesting i don't do the  day to day admin for ISOC Canada anymore and I
> haven't heard from their staff if they got any confusion on the annual
> membership impact.  Its possible some people perceived it as the same
> notice and paid only one of the two.  Not sure.
> Regardless, we always felt that  ISOC membership should include a fee and
> vice versa it should spell out clearly the benefits.
>
> G
>
> Glenn McKnight
> NARALO Secretariat
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> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Todd M. Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Good Day Alexander,
>>
>> You are correct, and thank you for the reminder. We have been gathering
>> the results and working to put together not only the output, but some
>> learnings from it. I have just posted in the Chapter Advisory Council
>> community on Connect.internetsociety.org. A small deck provides the
>> output you are requesting here.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Todd
>>
>> ——
>> Todd M. Tolbert
>> Chief Administrative Officer
>> Internet Society
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Alexander Blom <
>> alexander.blom at budgetphone.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Todd,
>>
>> It has been some 2 months since your donation campaign and I am sure
>> everyone is very curious about the results. Would you like to share them
>> with the chapter-delegates list now? For instance, how much did you collect
>> from our members, in total and per country? These would be really
>> interesting numbers for all of us I think.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Alexander Blom
>> Chairman of the Netherlands Chapter
>> The Netherlands
>>
>> T +31 (0)71 5815620 <+31%2071%20581%205620>
>> F +31 (0)71 5815611 <+31%2071%20581%205611>
>>
>>
>> 2017-11-28 21:02 GMT+01:00 Todd M. Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org>:
>>
>>> Hello Judith, we did not send the actual email campaign messages to any
>>> elists, or Connect. We sent them directly to the individual member’s email
>>> on record in the AMS. I have communicated with Glenn on his personal
>>> situation and we’ve cleared that up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope that clarifies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>> *Organization: *Hellerstein & Associates
>>> *Reply-To: *"judith at jhellerstein.com" <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48 AM
>>> *To: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <
>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, Glenn Mcknight <
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
>>> campaign
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Todd,
>>>
>>> I just got one email from the Chapter delegates list on Connect and not
>>> the email version of it. Glenn perhaps you are only subscribed to the email
>>> Chapter Delegates and not the Connect version of it
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 11/28/2017 9:00 AM, Todd M. Tolbert wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saul,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m confused. To my knowledge there has been exactly one email campaign
>>> sent (just today) about fundraising for ISOC. If you have another one,
>>> please forward to me as I would love to see it and investigate where it
>>> came from.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is not our intention to send every email (or any email other than a
>>> specific campaign) asking for donations. We do, however, send many
>>> informational emails that may ask for members to take action. But we will
>>> not specifically say that that action should be to donate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Only this fundraising campaign that we imagine doing twice a year would
>>> do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope that helps and look forward to receiving a forward of the email
>>> that you believe is asking for money.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za> <saul at enetworks.co.za>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:16 AM
>>> *To: *Todd Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org> <tolbert at isoc.org>, Eduardo Diaz
>>> <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com> <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org"
>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> *Subject: *RE: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
>>> campaign
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I see that this campaign is continuing…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have just received another email this month (Help Shape tomorrow)
>>> asking for donations. The unsubscribe doesn’t give me the option of only
>>> opting out of only donation based email…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If every email we receive is going to be about asking for money, I can
>>> assure you that membership will drop (or email will just be filtered). The
>>> link that one is asked to click on, isn’t even encrypted L
>>>
>>> The unsubscribe option on the email also doesn’t work (or I can’t
>>> understand how to work it) as one is not able to check/uncheck subscription
>>> options…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2c…
>>>
>>> Saul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Chapter-delegates [
>>> mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>>> <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On Behalf Of *Todd M.
>>> Tolbert
>>> *Sent:* 14 November 2017 04:33 PM
>>> *To:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>>> <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
>>> campaign
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chapter Leaders,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I appreciate this comment and all the others. They are not falling on
>>> deaf ears, I promise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have postponed the campaign for now. I am interested now from this
>>> group, what the next steps would be to get to a point where we can come to
>>> an agreement that this test (in some form) should be run and attempted,
>>> with the support of the chapters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there is a Steering Committee meeting on Monday the 20th. I
>>> believe I return from my travels around the time that meeting is happening,
>>> so I will do everything in my power to be on the call.
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>>
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Todd:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ISOC should start to apply to itself the same multi-stakeholder
>>> mechanisms that it so much promotes around the world. The Chapter Advisory
>>> Council is one of those mechanisms. Use it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My recommendation going forward is to send a request for advice to the
>>> ChAC Steering Committee and let the ball roll there. This will give ISOC
>>> the chapter's insights and ideas on how to move ahead with this program.
>>> Even if the final ChAC advice is not 100% acceptable, at least all chapters
>>> will be aware of the program and consulted previous to launching it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reactions like you got from ISOC San Francisco and others (like ours)
>>> are an indication of how ISOC is still disconnected from its chapters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ISOC-PR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Todd,
>>>
>>> T
>>>
>>> his campaign is the first in a long while from the Internet Society, it
>>> used to be a common practice and ISOC has raised money from individuals
>>> before. We haven’t done so in the last few years for several reasons, but
>>> mostly because we felt that our processes and mechanisms were not
>>> professional enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, it wasn't all about processes. The creation of a chapter in Canada
>>> was originally started after the 1997 INET meeting in Montreal, but was
>>> cancelled because of an inability to reach agreement on
>>> revenue/solicitation sharing between HQ and Chapters (this was before the
>>> PIR windfall). As a result, there was no Canada chapter until a reboot
>>> effort started a few years ago. Some of the people involved in that
>>> original effort are on the Canada Chapter board now so they know the
>>> history.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Broadly, the concept of ISOC fundraising from members independently from
>>> Chapters is not new, and has been controversial when it occurred in the
>>> past. Perhaps the plan's designers might have encountered more of this
>>> information and institutional memory, had Chapters been consulted in the
>>> planning stages rather than after everything was finalized.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our reasons for doing this now are in line with our position as a global
>>> non-profit organization including diversity of our funding sources, which
>>> has been a stated goal of ISOC for years; to strengthen the mid and long
>>> term financial sustainability of the organization. And secondly, to
>>> maintain and strengthen the status as a non-profit organization that needs
>>> to meet certain rules of revenue sources.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Section 2 of the ISOC bylaws state that its two advisory committees
>>> exist "*for the purpose of providing information and advice to the
>>> Board of Trustees and the President of the Internet Society on matters of
>>> strategic importance*". The whole reason some of us worked so hard to
>>> create a Chapters Advisory Council was to establish an appropriate
>>> bi-directional channel that would inform HQ about local sensibilities while
>>> then working together in international initiatives.
>>>
>>>  Think global, act local.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Surely a tax-status-related crisis of income diversity qualifies as
>>> 'strategic importance'. Why was the Chapters Advisory Council not asked for
>>> advice on this as the Bylaws explicitly indicate? Who made the call that
>>> this issue was not sufficiently strategic to consult Chapters in advance?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Had the ChAC been approached by staff and told "we need to diversify
>>> revenue sources from our community", you may have discovered a breadth of
>>> innovative approaches. The discussion of whether it is reasonable to have a
>>> nominal fee for ISOC membership may have proven useful. Or you may have
>>> come to the exact same conclusion as you have now, but this time with
>>> Chapters as enthusiastic allies rather than potential competitors for the
>>> same sustaining funding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Consider the fundraising model used by American public broadcasting.
>>> Consider that PBS doesn't do any membership or individual fundraising
>>> campaigns without the close collaboration of WETA, its local partner in
>>> Washington. Having parallel national and local campaigns could be a
>>> disaster.
>>>
>>> It is not the intent of this campaign to divert attention from the
>>> chapters or try to confuse the recipient at all.
>>>
>>> As you know -- or at least know by now -- there are Chapters that charge
>>> for membership, and some that do their own
>>>
>>> financial 
>>>
>>> solicitations of members based on
>>>
>>> local
>>>
>>>  initiatives.
>>>
>>> Starting
>>>
>>>  a
>>>
>>> solicitation 
>>>
>>> program now will catch them off
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> guard and with very little time to determine how to work (or cope) with
>>> it. How can
>>>
>>> anyone
>>>
>>>  state definitively that these initiatives will not be confusing or
>>> competitive without having reached out to these Chapters -- either
>>> individually or through the Council?
>>>
>>> I believe the message will touch on the breadth and depth of what the
>>> community does in the world and that obviously includes the work in the
>>> chapters. Both messages will go out on our standard mailer format which has
>>> been used to this list for the entirety of 2017.
>>>
>>> At worst, this is a potential for direct conflict with some Chapters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At best, this is a missed opportunity to let the Chapters Advisory
>>> Council fulfill its Bylaw role as an integral part of the ISOC
>>> decision-making process. ISOC can't be a trusted advocate for
>>> multi-stakeholder approaches to Internet governance when it ignores its own
>>> internal multi-stakeholder structures. There is a further missed
>>> opportunity in that shutting Chapters out of the campaign architecture
>>> reduces the potential for a network of local champions once the donation
>>> campaigns are launched.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To use a tennis metaphor, this is an unforced error. Not too late to fix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Evan Leibovitch
>>>
>>> Toronto, Canada
>>>
>>> Em: evan at telly dot org
>>>
>>> Sk: evanleibovitch
>>>
>>> Tw: el56
>>>
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== Sent from my phone, so any spelling mistakes are caused by the
touchscreen keyboard. Also, that's the reason for using short words and
phrases.
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