[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
Borka Jerman Blazic
borka at e5.ijs.si
Tue Sep 26 01:20:20 PDT 2017
I think that in the world were Human rights have the highest value as
is claimed for EU (and Spain is
an EU MS) the only cases when internet site/content blocking is
tolerated is the hate speech that includes racism, terrorism, criminal
matters, offence, insult to, human and arms smuggling, or similar content.
I believe that nothing similar was found in the Catalonian sites that
were blocked.
Catalonia is a part of Spain and the population there can decide about
their own referendum, so
it is difficult this to be considered as "illegal". It is people voice.
Regards,
Borka
Brandt Dainow je 25.9.2017 ob 18:27 napisal:
> I think it is important to nuance this issue. The court order was not
> really about blocking the internet. It was part of the government's
> attempts to prevent publication, in print or online, about the
> referendum. Other people have been arrested, such as printers and
> people who were going to distribute ballot papers. So the government
> is not so much blocking the internet as blocking a certain type of
> information in all its forms. Not blocking it on the internet would
> have been, in this sense, inconsistent - effectively saying "no" to
> hard copy, but "yes" to online versions. Also, this court order only
> applied to the .cat domain, not to other internet sources.
>
> I am not defending the government's postion here, but I don't think we
> can see this as a simple case of blocking the internet, and I think
> ISOC should be extremely cautious about getting involved. The spanish
> government's position is that the referendum is illegal and they have
> a duty to prevent it. Objecting to blocking internet access without
> objecting to the other government activity is like saying the normal
> rules about what is illegal or not shouldn't be applied to the internet.
>
> On 25 September 2017 at 14:23, Christian de Larrinaga
> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>
> To some extent it is irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted
> blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The principles that underpin
> ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld registry and
> underlying infrastructures that was so treated.
>
> The issue is serious. But I'm not sure how far this particular
> incident
> can continue to travel in the wrong direction.
>
> To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional pollution where
> spanish
> authorities may issue european arrest warrants on technical
> managers of
> parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers are identified already
> by law enforcement and security interests in UK for instance)?
>
> It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove to arresting
> authorities such warrants from another jurisdiction are not
> warranted or
> politically motivated.
>
>
> C
>
>
> vinton cerf wrote:
> > they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan language and culture.
> > ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they
> had any
> > objections and both responded that they did not object.
> >
> > v
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr Pastukhov
> > <opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt
> <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt>
> > <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt
> <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Could someone please enlighten me on how they managed to get
> their
> > own TLD in the first place?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan, thanks for the information. I propose all ISOC
> chapters to
> >> express a support to
> >> Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in preventing political
> >> intervention in providing
> >> basic Internet services like TLD blocking. TLD "CAT" is
> >> recognized and available
> >> for many years and blocking the services and websites with
> that
> >> domain is not acceptable at all,
> >> especially not in EU where human rights where access to
> Internet
> >> is recognizes as part of
> >> them by UN, is respected as the highest value of the European
> >> society.
> >>
> >> With regards,
> >>
> >> Borka
> >>
> >> ISOC SI
> >>
> >> Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017 ob 18:44 napisal:
> >>> It's a good statement.
> >>>
> >>> Worth also mentioning and keeping in mind that Pep
> Masoliver the
> >>> technical manager for the registry operator of .cat was
> arrested
> >>> during
> >>> the raid by the Guardia Civile. This means the event has more
> >>> serious
> >>> implications for the technical community than if this was a
> >>> comparatively simple case of attempted or actual content
> >>> blocking by the
> >>> Spanish authorities of some or all catalan websites.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Christian
> >>>
> >>> Dan York wrote:
> >>>> Chapter delegates,
> >>>>
> >>>> FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our
> concern
> >>>> about
> >>>> measures taken in Spain to block access to certain
> websites and,
> >>>> perhaps more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD)
> >>>> operator
> >>>> to engage in content monitoring and blocking.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a tense time politically in Spain with an
> independence
> >>>> referendum having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia
> >>>> region
> >>>> which the central Spanish government views as illegal. We do
> >>>> not want
> >>>> to get involved in the politics of the situation, but are
> >>>> concerned by
> >>>> the manner in which the Internet is being restricted. As
> we have
> >>>> repeatedly stated, we do not see Internet blocking /
> shutdowns as
> >>>> effective measures and believe they cause far more collateral
> >>>> damage
> >>>> to the economy and society.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric
> Donck
> >>>> and
> >>>> his European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC
> Catalonia
> >>>> Chapter leaders to understand the situation there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please do read and share our statement:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/>
> >>>>
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/>
> >>>>
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Shared on social at:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
> <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336>
> >>>>
> <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
> <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336>>
> >>>>
> https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
> <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239>
> <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
> <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dan York
> >>>> Senior Manager, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society
> >>>> york at isoc.org <mailto:york at isoc.org> <mailto:york at isoc.org
> <mailto:york at isoc.org>> <mailto:york at isoc.org <mailto:york at isoc.org>>
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