[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
Christian de Larrinaga
cdel at firsthand.net
Mon Sep 25 09:55:29 PDT 2017
.cat does not publish referendum content. That is not a nuance.
I do agree though that all the political surroundings of this are noisy
and not something I or I feel this community is well placed to engage in.
best C
Brandt Dainow wrote:
> I think it is important to nuance this issue. The court order was not
> really about blocking the internet. It was part of the government's
> attempts to prevent publication, in print or online, about the
> referendum. Other people have been arrested, such as printers and
> people who were going to distribute ballot papers. So the government
> is not so much blocking the internet as blocking a certain type of
> information in all its forms. Not blocking it on the internet would
> have been, in this sense, inconsistent - effectively saying "no" to
> hard copy, but "yes" to online versions. Also, this court order only
> applied to the .cat domain, not to other internet sources.
>
> I am not defending the government's postion here, but I don't think we
> can see this as a simple case of blocking the internet, and I think
> ISOC should be extremely cautious about getting involved. The spanish
> government's position is that the referendum is illegal and they have
> a duty to prevent it. Objecting to blocking internet access without
> objecting to the other government activity is like saying the normal
> rules about what is illegal or not shouldn't be applied to the internet.
>
> On 25 September 2017 at 14:23, Christian de Larrinaga
> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>
> To some extent it is irrelevant that the seizures, raids and attempted
> blocks are targeting a zone called .cat. The principles that underpin
> ISOC's statement I expect would apply for any tld registry and
> underlying infrastructures that was so treated.
>
> The issue is serious. But I'm not sure how far this particular
> incident
> can continue to travel in the wrong direction.
>
> To what extent is there a risk of jurisdictional pollution where
> spanish
> authorities may issue european arrest warrants on technical
> managers of
> parts of Internet infrastructure (such managers are identified already
> by law enforcement and security interests in UK for instance)?
>
> It seems rather hard to defend yourself to prove to arresting
> authorities such warrants from another jurisdiction are not
> warranted or
> politically motivated.
>
>
> C
>
>
> vinton cerf wrote:
> > they applied to ICANN for a TLD for catalan language and culture.
> > ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they
> had any
> > objections and both responded that they did not object.
> >
> > v
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:19 AM, Oleksandr Pastukhov
> > <opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt
> <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt>
> > <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt
> <mailto:opastukhov at sec.research.um.edu.mt>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Could someone please enlighten me on how they managed to get
> their
> > own TLD in the first place?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > On 24-Sep-17 11:29 AM, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan, thanks for the information. I propose all ISOC
> chapters to
> >> express a support to
> >> Ctalanonian chapter in their fight in preventing political
> >> intervention in providing
> >> basic Internet services like TLD blocking. TLD "CAT" is
> >> recognized and available
> >> for many years and blocking the services and websites with
> that
> >> domain is not acceptable at all,
> >> especially not in EU where human rights where access to
> Internet
> >> is recognizes as part of
> >> them by UN, is respected as the highest value of the European
> >> society.
> >>
> >> With regards,
> >>
> >> Borka
> >>
> >> ISOC SI
> >>
> >> Christian de Larrinaga je 22.9.2017 ob 18:44 napisal:
> >>> It's a good statement.
> >>>
> >>> Worth also mentioning and keeping in mind that Pep
> Masoliver the
> >>> technical manager for the registry operator of .cat was
> arrested
> >>> during
> >>> the raid by the Guardia Civile. This means the event has more
> >>> serious
> >>> implications for the technical community than if this was a
> >>> comparatively simple case of attempted or actual content
> >>> blocking by the
> >>> Spanish authorities of some or all catalan websites.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Christian
> >>>
> >>> Dan York wrote:
> >>>> Chapter delegates,
> >>>>
> >>>> FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our
> concern
> >>>> about
> >>>> measures taken in Spain to block access to certain
> websites and,
> >>>> perhaps more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD)
> >>>> operator
> >>>> to engage in content monitoring and blocking.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a tense time politically in Spain with an
> independence
> >>>> referendum having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia
> >>>> region
> >>>> which the central Spanish government views as illegal. We do
> >>>> not want
> >>>> to get involved in the politics of the situation, but are
> >>>> concerned by
> >>>> the manner in which the Internet is being restricted. As
> we have
> >>>> repeatedly stated, we do not see Internet blocking /
> shutdowns as
> >>>> effective measures and believe they cause far more collateral
> >>>> damage
> >>>> to the economy and society.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric
> Donck
> >>>> and
> >>>> his European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC
> Catalonia
> >>>> Chapter leaders to understand the situation there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please do read and share our statement:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/>
> >>>>
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/internet-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/>
> >>>>
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/declaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-internet-en-cataluna-espana/>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Shared on social at:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
> <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336>
> >>>>
> <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
> <https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336>>
> >>>>
> https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
> <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239>
> <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
> <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dan York
> >>>> Senior Manager, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society
> >>>> york at isoc.org <mailto:york at isoc.org>
> <mailto:york at isoc.org <mailto:york at isoc.org>>
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