[Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement

[borka at e5.ijs.si]

Well said Veni. Working in a mixed multi-cultural environment and
listening to all voices and trying to understand them for common
consensus is very difficult. But, we all beleive in Internet.
So, thank you to all of the colleagues.

Borka


On Wed, 6 Sep 2017, Veni Markovski wrote:

> I'd like to formally thank Joyce for all the work she and her colleagues are
> doing. 
> It is difficult to work in an environment, which has hundreds of different
> cultures, and sometimes the words we - non-native English speakers - use are
> also considered either wrong, or inappropriate, or something, while we
> didn't intend to sound negative or critical of our colleagues. 
> 
> Veni
> Chait of the Board, 
> ISOC Bulgaria 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 05:11 Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>       Dear Brandt,
>
>        
>
>       Thanks for your message.
>
>       Indeed there is still a lot of discussion going on, which is
>       obviously encouraged and welcomed.
>
>       Having said that at some point we need to recap the comments
>       made and understand how they can best be addressed.
>
>       Which is why we had a one month period of comment.
>
>        
>
>       It may indeed well be that while going through all the comments
>       and feedbacks there are areas that still need further discussion
>       or that some of the clauses need to be reviewed, revised,
>       clarified or simply removed.
>
>        
>
>       As was discussed early on the list, the agreement has been put
>       together with initial feedback from Chapters and has been
>       reviewed by the Chapters Advisory Council before posting on the
>       list.
>
>       There is surely no intention of dictating… the final version, or
>       updated version if you prefer (you are right, the choice of word
>       could have been better ☺), will be presented to the Chapters AC
>       Steering Committee for revision and we will work with them to
>       identify next steps.
>
>        
>
>       Please stay tuned for the next version, I’m confident that
>       together we can find a consensus that is acceptable to all.
>
>        
>
>       Warm regards
>
>        
>
>       Joyce
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Brandt Dainow <brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "brandt.dainow at gmail.com" <brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 11:54
> To: Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org>,
> "chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org"
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: RE: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised
> charter agreement
> 
>  
> 
> With the greatest respect, I do not think these discussions have
> reached a state where conclusions can be drawn, and I personally
> resent being told that this discussion is over.  Perhaps I am
> mistaken, but my understanding from your email is that you will now
> create the final version of the chapter agreement.  If that is the
> case, then I also resent being told that you and (unknown) other
> people in central will decide the final version of the new chapter
> agreement.  These discussions have shown that the days have passed
> where national chapters will accept central office dictating to them
> in such a fashion.
> 
>  
> 
> If you want to attempt to summarise positions, and propose a new
> agreement for consideration by chapters, that is acceptable to me. 
> However, I really don’t think you can legitimately do anything more
> than that.  
> 
>  
> 
> I propose that no new chapter agreement be finalised without the
> agreement of two-thirds of the national chapters, and that each
> national chapter determine how it will vote through formal agreement
> of its members.  We should bear in mind national members will be bound
> by the agreement, especially if they ever serve on their national
> committee.  It is contrary to democratic principles and the principles
> of justice that someone be bound by changes in rules they haven’t
> agreed to.  I am aware we currently lack a formal method for chapters
> to vote on such matters.  So I suggest we develop something as soon as
> possible.
> 
>  
> 
> I suggest that this chapter delegates forum continue to discuss this
> issue as we feel appropriate.  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Brandt Dainow
> 
> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
> 
> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
> 
>  
> 
> From: Chapter-delegates
> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Joyce
> Dogniez
> Sent: 06 September 2017 10:15
> To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter
> agreement
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Chapter leaders,
> 
>  
> 
> I want to thank you for your constructive feedback and comments on the
> revised charter agreement.
> 
>  
> 
> As the deadline for comments was end of August, we will now start to
> compile the comments and see how to best address them in the final
> version.  This will be done by the end of the month.
> 
>  
> 
> I have also received some comments from Chapters on specific local
> situations, I will get back to all of you as soon as possible on
> those.
> 
> I know some of you are still waiting for some legal feedback locally,
> please contact me off list to let me know of any specific issues.
> 
>  
> 
> Again thanks a lot for your input.
> 
>  
> 
> Warm regards
> 
>  
> 
> Joyce
> 
>  
> 
> — 
> 
> Joyce Dogniez, CMM
> 
> Senior Director Global Engagement
> 
> Internet Society
> 
>  
> 
> dogniez at isoc.org
> 
> Mob/Whatsapp: +352 621 266 189
> 
> Skype: joycedogniez
> 
>  
> 
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> Veni
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> == Sent from my phone, so any spelling mistakes are caused by the
> touchscreen keyboard. Also, that's the reason for using short words and
> phrases.
> 
>