[Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised charter agreement

Wed Sep 6 06:01:45 PDT 2017

+1

I support the proposal.

Regards,

Borka

Richard Hill je 6.9.2017 ob 14:15 napisal:
>
> Just a clarification. The agreement was reviewed informally by the 
> ChAC Steering Committee.  It was not submitted to the full ChAC.  As I 
> understand it, it was submitted to the Chapter Delegates list instead 
> of the ChAC list for the valid reason that not all chapters are 
> represented in the ChAC.
>
> I would suggest that we maintain the consultation mechanism used to 
> date and that the next draft also be submitted to the Chapter 
> Delegates list for comment.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Richard
>
> *From:*Chapter-delegates 
> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Joyce Dogniez
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 6, 2017 14:12
> *To:* brandt.dainow at gmail.com; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised 
> charter agreement
>
> Dear Brandt,
>
> Thanks for your message.
>
> Indeed there is still a lot of discussion going on, which is obviously 
> encouraged and welcomed.
>
> Having said that at some point we need to recap the comments made and 
> understand how they can best be addressed.
>
> Which is why we had a one month period of comment.
>
> It may indeed well be that while going through all the comments and 
> feedbacks there are areas that still need further discussion or that 
> some of the clauses need to be reviewed, revised, clarified or simply 
> removed.
>
> As was discussed early on the list, the agreement has been put 
> together with initial feedback from Chapters and has been reviewed by 
> the Chapters Advisory Council before posting on the list.
>
> There is surely no intention of dictating… the final version, or 
> updated version if you prefer (you are right, the choice of word could 
> have been better ☺), will be presented to the Chapters AC Steering 
> Committee for revision and we will work with them to identify next steps.
>
> Please stay tuned for the next version, I’m confident that together we 
> can find a consensus that is acceptable to all.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Joyce
>
> *From: *Brandt Dainow <brandt.dainow at gmail.com 
> <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>>
> *Reply-To: *"brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>" 
> <brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 6 September 2017 at 11:54
> *To: *Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org>>, 
> "chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org 
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" 
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org 
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>
> *Subject: *RE: [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised 
> charter agreement
>
> With the greatest respect, I do not think these discussions have 
> reached a state where conclusions can be drawn, and I personally 
> resent being told that this discussion is over.  Perhaps I am 
> mistaken, but my understanding from your email is that you will now 
> create the final version of the chapter agreement.  If that is the 
> case, then I also resent being told that you and (unknown) other 
> people in central will decide the final version of the new chapter 
> agreement. These discussions have shown that the days have passed 
> where national chapters will accept central office dictating to them 
> in such a fashion.
>
> If you want to attempt to summarise positions, and propose a new 
> agreement for consideration by chapters, that is acceptable to me. 
> However, I really don’t think you can legitimately do anything more 
> than that.
>
> I propose that no new chapter agreement be finalised without the 
> agreement of two-thirds of the national chapters, and that each 
> national chapter determine how it will vote through formal agreement 
> of its members.  We should bear in mind national members will be bound 
> by the agreement, especially if they ever serve on their national 
> committee.  It is contrary to democratic principles and the principles 
> of justice that someone be bound by changes in rules they haven’t 
> agreed to.  I am aware we currently lack a formal method for chapters 
> to vote on such matters.  So I suggest we develop something as soon as 
> possible.
>
> I suggest that this chapter delegates forum continue to discuss this 
> issue as we feel appropriate.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brandt Dainow
>
> brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>
> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>
> *From:*Chapter-delegates 
> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Joyce Dogniez
> *Sent:* 06 September 2017 10:15
> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org 
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Subject:* [Chapter-delegates] Comments and feedback on revised 
> charter agreement
>
> Dear Chapter leaders,
>
> I want to thank you for your constructive feedback and comments on the 
> revised charter agreement.
>
> As the deadline for comments was end of August, we will now start to 
> compile the comments and see how to best address them in the final 
> version.  This will be done by the end of the month.
>
> I have also received some comments from Chapters on specific local 
> situations, I will get back to all of you as soon as possible on those.
>
> I know some of you are still waiting for some legal feedback locally, 
> please contact me off list to let me know of any specific issues.
>
> Again thanks a lot for your input.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Joyce
>
> —
>
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>
> Senior Director Global Engagement
>
> Internet Society
>
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