[Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain

Mon Oct 2 02:28:40 PDT 2017

Sure Borka. Thanks so much! Your messages of support are treasures for us.
We'll compile and publish them all with no doubt.
All the best

2017-10-02 11:26 GMT+02:00 Borka Jerman Blazic <borka at e5.ijs.si>:

>
> Dear Magi,
>
> Please receive our support and the protest to what happened yesterday in
> Catalonia.
> The violence is not a method for solving problems.
> This is not Europe  where we believed   the human rights of possibility
> to  express
>  opinion are  respected.
>
> I suggest, after the TLD sites with .cat become available again you to
> publish the support
> you have received from ISOC chapters  about
> unacceptability of the violation of the basic Internet service rules  -
> availability of sites that   are not breaking
> the basic publishing rules ( e.g hate speech, pornography ect), but were
> shut down just for political reason(s).
>
> With regards,
>
> Borka Jerman Blažič
>
>
> Magí Lluch-Ariet je 2.10.2017 ob 11:03 napisal:
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Thank you very much for all your messages of support. Yesterday in
> Catalonia we lived one of the saddest days in Europe in recent times. The
> violation of the basic human rights has gone much more beyond the Internet
> censorship.
>
> At the Catalan Chapter we'll be always working to condemn the violation of
> ISOC principles and support the European democratic values even if the go
> against certain legal frameworks.
>
> Warmest regards and thanks again for your support.
>
> Magí Lluch-Ariet
> President of the Catalan Chapter
>
> 2017-10-02 4:05 GMT+02:00 Yohanes Sumaryo <sumaryo at gmail.com>:
>
>> Our deepest concern to what happen in ISOC Catalonia.
>> Hope all end well.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Yohanes Sumaryo
>> ISOC Jakarta Chapter
>> Gen Secretary
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 3:20 AM, "Ariel Manoff" <amanoff at vmf.com.ar> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Brandt,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you that the exaggerated nationalisms are very dangerous.
>>> On the other hand I believe that the formation of new chapters belonging to
>>> minorities or other regional groups are healthy for the Internet ecosystem
>>> and we should support the formation of new chapters without producing
>>> overlapping.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Héctor Ariel Manoff*
>>>
>>> *Vitale, Manoff & Feilbogen *Viamonte 1145 10º Piso
>>> C1053ABW Buenos Aires
>>> República Argentina
>>> Te: (54-11) 4371-6100
>>> Fax: (54-11) 4371-6365
>>> E-mail: amanoff at vmf.com.ar
>>> Web: http://www.vmf.com.ar
>>>
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>>>
>>> *De:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-boun
>>> ces at elists.isoc.org] *En nombre de *Brandt Dainow
>>> *Enviado el:* viernes, 29 de septiembre de 2017 07:39
>>> *Para:* 'Thomas Lowenhaupt'; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> *Asunto:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on
>>> Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Consultation with only the Catalan chapter, and no other chapter in
>>> Spain is clearly inadequate, and possibly even rude to the Spanish
>>> chapter.  There is an obvious difference of opinion over the referendum in
>>> Spain, and I assume there are ISOC members who hold sincere beliefs on both
>>> sides.  To speak to only one party and not others is, at best, politically
>>> naïve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a resident of Ireland, I have been personally caught up in 5 IRA bomb
>>> attacks.  Everyone in Ireland is personally worried about the possibility
>>> of a renewal of IRA terrorism.  We all work hard to avoid a return to “the
>>> troubles,” as we call those times.  We understand that these could be
>>> triggered by many things which an outsider would consider perfectly
>>> innocent.  You have to live in Ireland to appreciate the intense
>>> sensitivity and how close we all are to a return to violence.  I am not
>>> exaggerating when I say the formation of an Irish-language ISOC chapter in
>>> Northern Ireland could lead to people being murdered.  The situation really
>>> is that sensitive.  I am sure there are many ISOC members whose countries
>>> are in a similarly sensitive position.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I see it, at minimum, ISOC needs to permit anyone who is interested
>>> to participate in authorisation of any chapter anywhere, and we need
>>> consistent, documented, processes for this.  Alternatively, we need to base
>>> regional chapter formations on boundaries created outside ISOC so that such
>>> decisions are out of our control.  For example, limiting chapters to nation
>>> states recognised by the UN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many places in the world subject to forces seeking to break
>>> existing states; many regions seeking independence, many cultural and
>>> language groups seeking better representation.  In some countries, merely
>>> identifying a sub-group as existing is controversial or illegal.  As the
>>> internet becomes more central to global society, it becomes a place for
>>> political contention.  The formation of an ISOC chapter can be used as part
>>> of a political campaign by such groups.  I think it extremely dangerous if
>>> ISOC becomes another tool in such campaigns.  Clearly ISOC cannot take
>>> sides in such campaigns, no matter how justified some members may feel
>>> about any given group’s claims.  I am open to alternative suggestions, and
>>> only seek to start a conversation, but I think it clear the whole ISOC
>>> chapter formation process needs to be reworked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Brandt Dainow
>>>
>>> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>>>
>>> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-boun
>>> ces at elists.isoc.org <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Thomas Lowenhaupt
>>> *Sent:* 29 September 2017 03:35
>>> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] FYI - ISOC statement about on
>>> Internet blocking measures in Catalonia, Spain
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The .cat evolution is something I’ve followed for over a decade. As a
>>> proponent of city TLDs and an advocate for the .nyc TLD, the process that
>>> enabled .cat’s issuance intrigued me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ICANN perspective on .cat’s issuance was cogently expressed by Vint,
>>> “ICANN asked the governments of spain and andorra whether they had any
>>> objections and both responded that they did not object.” Today, as the
>>> Iberian Peninsular smoulders, I’ll comment only on the .cat issuance
>>> process, noting that ‘non-objection’ is too weak a form of approval.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Having witnessed how ill-prepared New York City was for the development
>>> of the .nyc TLD, I’ve urged over the past few years at several ICANN fora
>>> that ‘informed consent’ be adopted as the standard for approval of
>>>  geographic and cultural TLDs. Seemingly to little avail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The .cat situation makes it apparent that ICANN is playing with fire
>>> when they issue geographic and cultural TLDs. Had they not been distracted
>>> fighting various wars, I suspect .Kurds would have been issued and now be
>>> playing a central role in a new regional realignment, with its impact
>>> measured by battlefield statistics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If ICANN can't institute responsible issuance standards for geographic
>>> and cultural TLDs, perhaps its time to remove these life and death digital
>>> resources from its purview.
>>>
>>> Tom Lowenhaupt
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> On 9/22/2017 11:43 AM, Dan York wrote:
>>>
>>> Chapter delegates,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI, yesterday we published a statement expressing our concern about
>>> measures taken in Spain to block access to certain websites and, perhaps
>>> more concerning, to require a top-level domain (TLD) operator to engage in
>>> content monitoring and blocking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a tense time politically in Spain with an independence
>>> referendum having been called for October 1 in the Catalonia region which
>>> the central Spanish government views as illegal. We do not want to get
>>> involved in the politics of the situation, but are concerned by the manner
>>> in which the Internet is being restricted. As we have repeatedly stated, we
>>> do not see Internet blocking / shutdowns as effective measures and believe
>>> they cause far more collateral damage to the economy and society.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do note that in developing this statement Frédéric Donck and his
>>> European Bureau team did interact directly with ISOC Catalonia Chapter
>>> leaders to understand the situation there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please do read and share our statement:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/news/statements/2017/interne
>>> t-society-statement-internet-blocking-measures-catalonia-spain/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/es/news/declarationes/2017/d
>>> eclaracion-de-internet-society-sobre-medidas-de-bloqueo-de-i
>>> nternet-en-cataluna-espana/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shared on social at:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/internetsociety/status/910995196405518336
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/posts/10154627959548239
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan York
>>> Senior Manager, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society
>>> york at isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624 <%28802%29%20735-1624>
>>> Jabber: york at jabber.isoc.org  Skype: danyork
>>> http://twitter.com/danyork
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>>>
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