[Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation campaign

Tue Nov 28 06:42:25 PST 2017

HI Todd
I didn't get the email to any of my contact emails.  Checking my spam now
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

> I actually got it twice. One to me as a member, and one as Chapter Admin.
>
> Joly
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:00 AM Todd M. Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Saul,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m confused. To my knowledge there has been exactly one email campaign
>> sent (just today) about fundraising for ISOC. If you have another one,
>> please forward to me as I would love to see it and investigate where it
>> came from.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is not our intention to send every email (or any email other than a
>> specific campaign) asking for donations. We do, however, send many
>> informational emails that may ask for members to take action. But we will
>> not specifically say that that action should be to donate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only this fundraising campaign that we imagine doing twice a year would
>> do so.
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>>
>> I hope that helps and look forward to receiving a forward of the email
>> that you believe is asking for money.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:16 AM
>> *To: *Todd Tolbert <tolbert at isoc.org>, Eduardo Diaz <
>> eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *"chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <chapter-delegates at elists.
>> isoc.org>
>> *Subject: *RE: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
>> campaign
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I see that this campaign is continuing…
>>
>>
>>
>> I have just received another email this month (Help Shape tomorrow)
>> asking for donations. The unsubscribe doesn’t give me the option of only
>> opting out of only donation based email…
>>
>>
>>
>> If every email we receive is going to be about asking for money, I can
>> assure you that membership will drop (or email will just be filtered). The
>> link that one is asked to click on, isn’t even encrypted L
>>
>> The unsubscribe option on the email also doesn’t work (or I can’t
>> understand how to work it) as one is not able to check/uncheck subscription
>> options…
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2c…
>>
>> Saul
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>> *From:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-
>> bounces at elists.isoc.org] *On Behalf Of *Todd M. Tolbert
>> *Sent:* 14 November 2017 04:33 PM
>> *To:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Notification: Individual Donation
>> campaign
>>
>>
>>
>> Chapter Leaders,
>>
>>
>>
>> I appreciate this comment and all the others. They are not falling on
>> deaf ears, I promise.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have postponed the campaign for now. I am interested now from this
>> group, what the next steps would be to get to a point where we can come to
>> an agreement that this test (in some form) should be run and attempted,
>> with the support of the chapters.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe there is a Steering Committee meeting on Monday the 20th. I
>> believe I return from my travels around the time that meeting is happening,
>> so I will do everything in my power to be on the call.
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Todd:
>>
>>
>>
>> ISOC should start to apply to itself the same multi-stakeholder
>> mechanisms that it so much promotes around the world. The Chapter Advisory
>> Council is one of those mechanisms. Use it.
>>
>>
>>
>> My recommendation going forward is to send a request for advice to the
>> ChAC Steering Committee and let the ball roll there. This will give ISOC
>> the chapter's insights and ideas on how to move ahead with this program.
>> Even if the final ChAC advice is not 100% acceptable, at least all chapters
>> will be aware of the program and consulted previous to launching it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reactions like you got from ISOC San Francisco and others (like ours) are
>> an indication of how ISOC is still disconnected from its chapters.
>>
>>
>>
>> -ed
>>
>>
>>
>> ISOC-PR
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>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:47 AM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Todd,
>>
>> T
>>
>> his campaign is the first in a long while from the Internet Society, it
>> used to be a common practice and ISOC has raised money from individuals
>> before. We haven’t done so in the last few years for several reasons, but
>> mostly because we felt that our processes and mechanisms were not
>> professional enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, it wasn't all about processes. The creation of a chapter in Canada
>> was originally started after the 1997 INET meeting in Montreal, but was
>> cancelled because of an inability to reach agreement on
>> revenue/solicitation sharing between HQ and Chapters (this was before the
>> PIR windfall). As a result, there was no Canada chapter until a reboot
>> effort started a few years ago. Some of the people involved in that
>> original effort are on the Canada Chapter board now so they know the
>> history.
>>
>>
>>
>> Broadly, the concept of ISOC fundraising from members independently from
>> Chapters is not new, and has been controversial when it occurred in the
>> past. Perhaps the plan's designers might have encountered more of this
>> information and institutional memory, had Chapters been consulted in the
>> planning stages rather than after everything was finalized.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our reasons for doing this now are in line with our position as a global
>> non-profit organization including diversity of our funding sources, which
>> has been a stated goal of ISOC for years; to strengthen the mid and long
>> term financial sustainability of the organization. And secondly, to
>> maintain and strengthen the status as a non-profit organization that needs
>> to meet certain rules of revenue sources.
>>
>>
>>
>> Section 2 of the ISOC bylaws state that its two advisory committees exist
>> "*for the purpose of providing information and advice to the Board of
>> Trustees and the President of the Internet Society on matters of strategic
>> importance*". The whole reason some of us worked so hard to create a
>> Chapters Advisory Council was to establish an appropriate bi-directional
>> channel that would inform HQ about local sensibilities while then working
>> together in international initiatives.
>>
>>  Think global, act local.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Surely a tax-status-related crisis of income diversity qualifies as
>> 'strategic importance'. Why was the Chapters Advisory Council not asked for
>> advice on this as the Bylaws explicitly indicate? Who made the call that
>> this issue was not sufficiently strategic to consult Chapters in advance?
>>
>>
>>
>> Had the ChAC been approached by staff and told "we need to diversify
>> revenue sources from our community", you may have discovered a breadth of
>> innovative approaches. The discussion of whether it is reasonable to have a
>> nominal fee for ISOC membership may have proven useful. Or you may have
>> come to the exact same conclusion as you have now, but this time with
>> Chapters as enthusiastic allies rather than potential competitors for the
>> same sustaining funding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Consider the fundraising model used by American public broadcasting.
>> Consider that PBS doesn't do any membership or individual fundraising
>> campaigns without the close collaboration of WETA, its local partner in
>> Washington. Having parallel national and local campaigns could be a
>> disaster.
>>
>> It is not the intent of this campaign to divert attention from the
>> chapters or try to confuse the recipient at all.
>>
>> As you know -- or at least know by now -- there are Chapters that charge
>> for membership, and some that do their own
>>
>> financial 
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>> solicitations of members based on
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>> local
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>>  initiatives.
>>
>> Starting
>>
>>  a
>>
>> solicitation 
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>> program now will catch them off
>>
>> -
>>
>> guard and with very little time to determine how to work (or cope) with
>> it. How can
>>
>> anyone
>>
>>  state definitively that these initiatives will not be confusing or
>> competitive without having reached out to these Chapters -- either
>> individually or through the Council?
>>
>> I believe the message will touch on the breadth and depth of what the
>> community does in the world and that obviously includes the work in the
>> chapters. Both messages will go out on our standard mailer format which has
>> been used to this list for the entirety of 2017.
>>
>> At worst, this is a potential for direct conflict with some Chapters.
>>
>>
>>
>> At best, this is a missed opportunity to let the Chapters Advisory
>> Council fulfill its Bylaw role as an integral part of the ISOC
>> decision-making process. ISOC can't be a trusted advocate for
>> multi-stakeholder approaches to Internet governance when it ignores its own
>> internal multi-stakeholder structures. There is a further missed
>> opportunity in that shutting Chapters out of the campaign architecture
>> reduces the potential for a network of local champions once the donation
>> campaigns are launched.
>>
>>
>>
>> To use a tennis metaphor, this is an unforced error. Not too late to fix.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Evan Leibovitch
>>
>> Toronto, Canada
>>
>> Em: evan at telly dot org
>>
>> Sk: evanleibovitch
>>
>> Tw: el56
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