[Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
Borka Jerman Blazic
borka at e5.ijs.si
Wed Aug 16 02:23:35 PDT 2017
+1 with Stefano and the others.
Regards,
Borka
Slovenia ISOC
Alex CORENTHIN je 15.8.2017 ob 18:58 napisal:
> +1 with stefano
>
> Le 15 août 2017 15:33, "Stefano Trumpy" <stefano at trumpy.eu
> <mailto:stefano at trumpy.eu>> a écrit :
>
> Following several comments in the list, regarding the proposed
> Charter of August 1st for the signature from the Internet Society
> chapters, I present my general comments before the Italian
> chapter, by end of August, sends our proposed amendments,
> elaborated by our Council, to the initial version of the Charter.
>
> Chapters cannot be considered as subsidiaries of the Internet
> Society having headquarters in Virginia – US; they should
> represent Internet Society principles (I like more the term
> "Internet orthodoxy") in the territories they represent.
>
> In todays global society we observe that local governments tend to
> intervene more on policies regarding the Internet like: hate
> speech, fake news, populisms, privacy, antiterrorism and other
> aspects that impact on societal attitudes and influence on public
> voting in the countries.
>
> It is not by chance that, in the last two years or so, in the
> Internet community we started to launch messages regarding
> Internet fragmentation elements. The governments, in many cases,
> interpret Internet policy as the one that fits better with local
> equilibriums and their foreign policies. As a consequence, the
> chapters should represent the opinions coming from what I called
> Internet orthodoxy and will use arguments to interact with the
> local government that, in the end will act as decision maker. For
> governments including a multi-stakeholders approach before
> deciding on Internet issues, the task for the chapters is easier,
> but this happens only in a small fraction of
> territories/countries; last news concerning CGI Brazil are
> worrying and, in Italy, the expected process for a
> multi-stakeholder model is still undecided.
>
> With the approach I propose, the Internet Society will have the
> chance to evaluate, with the help of the chapters, how much
> recommended global principles will have the chance to be adopted
> globally and which variations should be elaborated.
>
> In substance the Internet Society should adopt an approach with
> the chapters more oriented to a bottom up philosophy rather than a
> top down approach; this should be articulated with appropriate
> language in order to render the Internet Society a global
> recognized organization.
>
> The initial ideals valid in early nineties, going back to the
> Larry Landweber approach, where to bring the Internet everywhere,
> including countries considered "bad guys" and this was easier
> because governments either ignored the existence of the Internet
> or simply didn’t care.
>
> Final notes: several comments on the recommended Charter are
> referring to a role of the charters as lobbyists with local
> governments; I hate this expression and I agree that the chapters
> should make their best effort in order to defend Internet
> orthodoxy as defined inside the Internet Society.
>
> The language of the proposed Charter, in my opinion, looks to be
> not suited for many chapters that rely mainly on best effort
> achievements assured by voluntary work. Also it could be defined
> in a clear way where Internet Society may deny the use Internet
> Society logo.
>
> Stefano
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------*
> *Ing. Stefano Trumpy*
> *Presidente Internet Society Italy*
> *
> *
> Via del Poggio 27, Livorno, Italia
> phone: + 39 0586 579212
> mobile: +39 3488218618
> e-mail: stefano at trumpy.eu <mailto:stefano at trumpy.eu>
> skype: stetru
>
>
>
>
>> On 02/ago/2017, at 16:09, Brandt Dainow <brandt.dainow at gmail.com
>> <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to see the Irish chapter work in the same way, and
>> it was my understanding that this is how ISOC chapters were meant
>> to be - to develop activities responding to local needs and
>> delivered in accord with local cultures, following the broad
>> principles and aims of ISOC, but with considerable discretion
>> about how and what. This clause makes lobbying a condition of
>> being an ISOC chapter. The document is not clear on what will
>> happen if an ISOC chapter does not lobby for central branch aims.
>> Will the chapter be closed? Have all funding terminated? Or
>> will nothing happen? If nothing will happen, the clause
>> shouldn't be there. Personally, I think it is
>> counter-productive. It gives people an opportunity to accuse a
>> local chapter of being controlled by a US organisation. It
>> obliges chapters to do something, whether that suits their
>> circumstances or not. It adds nothing to local chapter
>> abilities, and doesn't really help ISOC central. Right now,
>> trying to get the Irish chapter started, lobbying would require
>> time, effort and expertise we don't have.
>>
>> ISOC pre-approve every financial allocation. Every year we
>> submit plans for what we will do. If ISOC want to see a chapter
>> lobbying, or do anything different, they can withhold funding.
>> The clause should be withdrawn.
>>
>> I think this document mixes two things. Part of it is to ensure
>> a chapter is well-run - elections, constitutions, bank accounts,
>> terms of office. These are all reasonable requirements to ensure
>> any organisation is well run, and hold true in any part of the
>> world.
>>
>> The other aim is to control what chapters do. This needs to be
>> much more carefully worded, or simply eliminated. I'm not sure
>> any detail about chapter activity is required, and may be
>> counter-productive. The more detail in the document, the more
>> chance the details won't work in certain countries. I think it
>> sufficient to merely require a chapter's constitution support the
>> aims of the Internet Society, then leave it to each chapter to
>> work out how. When I drafted the Irish constitution, I simply
>> took the central website aims into the constitution, while also
>> ensuring maximum freedom for the chapter. I also ensured the
>> central office could review the constitution and recommend
>> changes before it was finalised. This should be enough for ISOC.
>>
>> I took the aims from the website and added them to the Irish
>> chapter constitution as follows:
>> ------------------------
>> 2.The main object for which the Company is established is to
>> develop and operate an Irish Chapter of the Internet Society
>> (hereafter referred to as “ISOC”) and to implement the policies
>> and pursue the objectives of ISOC within the Republic of Ireland.
>> 3.The following objects set out hereafter are exclusively
>> subsidiary and ancillary to the main object set out above and
>> these objects are to be used only for the attainment of that main
>> object and any income generated therefrom is to be applied for
>> the main object only.
>> a.Facilitate and promote global, regional, and local policy
>> environments that enable the continuing evolution of an open
>> Internet.
>> b.Increase the global relevance and recognition of collaborative,
>> bottom-up, technical, consensus-based open standards development
>> in order to protect permissionless innovation for the
>> availability of the open Internet for current and future users;
>> and increase development and use of security and resiliency
>> technologies and best practices, shape the evolution of online
>> identity infrastructures, and improve choice and consent in the
>> handling of user data.
>> c.Provide equal development opportunities for all people by
>> promoting the relevance, deployment, and adoption of the open
>> Internet.
>> d.Increase the visibility and influence of ISOC as the
>> recognized, trusted source on Internet issues
>> e.To improve and develop the ISOC organization.
>> f.Create an environment that allows ISOC to use the Internet to
>> gather real data and experiences, and delivers messages and tools
>> to our audiences.
>> g.Mobilize and energize staff, emerging leaders, past and present
>> ISOC Members, and other identified ISOC stakeholders to leverage
>> and expand ISOC outreach on an inclusive local, regional, and
>> global scale to advance our mission.
>> h.Nurture a culture that mirrors the Internet attributes we wish
>> to emulate—a team-oriented culture that values
>> openness/inclusivity, global and cultural diversity, honesty,
>> trust and collaboration. To be focused, forward thinking,
>> flexible and dynamic within an environment where decision-making
>> is transparent and accountability is maintained.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brandt Dainow
>> brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow>
>> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>> <http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com
>> <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>]
>> Sent: 02 August 2017 13:58
>> To: brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Alan Levin; Joyce Dogniez; ISOC Chapter Delegates;
>> chapter-support at isoc.org <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
>>
>> A specific comment inline:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Brandt Dainow
>> <brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> There is nothing in this document which offers more support to
>>> chapters. The only thing this document does is increase control
>>> over chapters by central office. It obliges chapters to engage
>>> in additional activities as a condition of being funded, despite
>>> the fact all funding must be applied for in advance via detailed
>>> proposals and may be refused. It offers nothing positive to the
>>> chapters. It is merely an effort to restrict the independence
>>> of chapters and reduce their ability to adapt to local
>>> circumstance. I am particularly concerned it demands on-going
>>> lobbying activity as a condition of being a chapter.
>>
>>> I am fairly sure this will make some chapters illegal in some
>>> countries where lobbying by foreign-funded organisations is illegal.
>>
>> Very pertinent observation. In India, it would get Chapters in a
>> dangerous situation. First of all, speaking for the India Chennai
>> Chapter alone, I would NOT agree at all to any expectations of
>> lobbying for any position by ISOC. What we do at Chennai is to
>> broadly understand the Internet Society's mission, which we agree
>> with fully, and work ON OUR OWN, in our own ways, independently
>> on position and projects that would further the evolution of the
>> Internet along the lines. Drop the idea of expecting Chapters to
>> lobby for positions that invariably emerge mostly from Staff
>> deliberations.
>>
>> --- Sivasubramanain M
>>
>>>
>>> To be balanced, there should be some reciprocal reaching out by
>>> central office - such as better communication and listening to
>>> chapters. For example, this document should have been put to
>>> the chapters as a discussion document for feedback months before
>>> it was finalised. The fact it was not indicates ISOC is
>>> anti-democratic, and run by a small central group who, in my
>>> view, have failed to recognise ISOC is not the same type of
>>> organisation as it was 10-20 years ago.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brandt Dainow
>>> brandt.dainow at gmail.com <mailto:brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow>
>>> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>>> <http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chapter-delegates
>>> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] On Behalf Of
>>> Alan
>>> Levin
>>> Sent: 02 August 2017 08:56
>>> To: Joyce Dogniez; ISOC Chapter Delegates;
>>> chapter-support at isoc.org <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>> On 31 Jul 2017, at 12:06 PM, Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:dogniez at isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>> With the increased financial support to our Chapters we also
>>>> have an increased responsibility and accountability towards our
>>>> community. It is the responsibility of Internet Society s
>>>> leadership to manage its funds in a responsible and transparent
>>>> manner.
>>>> This implies that the legal relationship between Internet
>>>> Society and its Chapters needs to be well defined.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. I think it s very good! Well done Joyce and
>>> others
>>> :)
>>>
>>>> Purpose of Chapter.
>>>> The purpose of the Chapter shall be to support the Internet
>>>> Society s vision, mission, and operating principles in the
>>>> Territory.
>>>
>>> I agree that this is one purpose of the Internet Society of South
>>> Africa, and the purpose of this agreement :)
>>>
>>> One of our primary purposes as an association of Internet
>>> Society members, is to participate in the ICT policy making
>>> processes in our country. Another purpose is to assist our
>>> colleagues in other countries with their policy making in that
>>> country.
>>>
>>> We have asked for over a decade for global support on national
>>> policy making activities. I have suggested that a policy analyst
>>> who can compare various trending policies to be able to provide
>>> us with important international data about other policies in
>>> other countries of similar nature. For example we have a
>>> Cybersecurity Bill in our Parliamentary process and it will be
>>> invaluable to see an analysis of it s components compared to
>>> other countries that have already been through that process,
>>> ideally not a US centric or North view, something neutral
>>> would be ideal.
>>>
>>> So regards this section:
>>>> Internet Society Support.
>>>> The Internet Society will provide the following support to the
>>>> chapters in accordance with ISOC s annual business plan:
>>>
>>> I suggest again that we need support from ISOC Global to provide
>>> a global policy analyst to assist with support on National
>>> Policy Making activities. This should not be a local activity,
>>> it s not regional, it's a global policy analyst activity need
>>> that we have had for decades. Please help !
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan Levin
>>> ISOC-ZA
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>>
>>
>> --
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