[Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement

Wed Aug 2 07:21:29 PDT 2017

Brandt, there is a third option - continue to exist, but not be a chapter.
Some of the chapters started as independent organizations, and only later
were recognized as chapters (Bulgaria included).

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:12 Brandt Dainow <brandt.dainow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to ensure full understanding.  Several people have indicated
> that these clauses can be changed.  However, my understanding from your
> statements is that this document is final and will not be changed under any
> circumstances.  Effectively, chapters either accept it or close?
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> Thanks,
>
> Brandt Dainow
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> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
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> *From:* Richard Hill [mailto:rhill at hill-a.ch]
> *Sent:* 02 August 2017 15:05
> *To:* 'Veni Markovski'; 'Glenn McKnight'; brandt.dainow at gmail.com
> *Cc:* 'ISOC Chapter Delegates'
> *Subject:* RE: [Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
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>
> Dear Veni,
>
>
>
> Unless I misunderstood the situation, the new Agreement was not presented
> to the Chapters Advisory Council for formal comment.  It was presented to
> the Chapters Advisory Council Steering Committee (SC) for informal
> comment.  Most of the comments made by members of the SC were taken into
> account.
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> Best,
>
> Richard
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>
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> *From:* Chapter-delegates [
> mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>] *On Behalf Of *Veni Markovski
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 2, 2017 15:41
> *To:* Glenn McKnight; brandt.dainow at gmail.com
> *Cc:* ISOC Chapter Delegates
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
>
>
>
> Brandt is actually right about the fact that getting funding from ISOC
> might be problematic in certain jurisdictions.
>
> In Russia, for example, if you get funds from ISOC, you'd have to register
> as a "foreign agent", which has a lot of negatives, and not only in
> connotation. I'm not sure if our Russian colleagues are following this mail
> thread, but they may say what problems they're facing.
>
>
>
> The document presents ISOC as if it looks to the chapters as subsidiaries,
> where funding is directly related to following some requirements. Since
> chapters elext some of the Board members, perhaps a slightly more balanced
> approach could be created, or at least we should know what the Chapter
> Advisory Council recommended to the staff and which of the recommendations
> were taken into account.
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> As of the moment, I've sent the document to our board for a review. Given
> the fact that it is August, and in Europe people are usually at vacation, I
> hope we could have the real discussion in September?
>
>
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> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 08:45 Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Re: Brandt's comments
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>
> An interesting perspective on the new MOU.  This is one way to look but I
> would suggest the document strives to professionalize the chapters which
> aims to 'raise all boats' to a professional standard of performance. Its
> aim is for more transparency and accountability.  Typical things like a
> bank account, elections, reporting etc are all hallmarks of a well run
> local operation.  As to being a local 'mouthpiece'. this is a good idea too
> so that the chapter becomes a go to organization speaking on Internet
> issues.
> Thanks to the Advisory Committee in their efforts to updating a document
> that was out of step and time with what Chapters can become.
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Glenn McKnight
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
> skype  gmcknight
> twitter gmcknight
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> 289-830 6259
> .
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> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Brandt Dainow <brandt.dainow at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> There is nothing in this document which offers more support to chapters.
> The only thing this document does is increase control over chapters by
> central office.  It obliges chapters to engage in additional activities as
> a condition of being funded, despite the fact all funding must be applied
> for in advance via detailed proposals and may be refused.  It offers
> nothing positive to the chapters.  It is merely an effort to restrict the
> independence of chapters and reduce their ability to adapt to local
> circumstance.  I am particularly concerned it demands on-going lobbying
> activity as a condition of being a chapter.  I am fairly sure this will
> make some chapters illegal in some countries where lobbying by
> foreign-funded organisations is illegal.
>
> To be balanced, there should be some reciprocal reaching out by central
> office - such as better communication and listening to chapters.  For
> example, this document should have been put to the chapters as a discussion
> document for feedback months before it was finalised.  The fact it was not
> indicates ISOC is anti-democratic, and run by a small central group who, in
> my view, have failed to recognise ISOC is not the same type of organisation
> as it was 10-20 years ago.
>
> Regards,
> Brandt Dainow
> brandt.dainow at gmail.com
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Brandt_Dainow
> http://www.imediaconnection.com/profiles/brandt.dainow
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org]
> On Behalf Of Alan Levin
> Sent: 02 August 2017 08:56
> To: Joyce Dogniez; ISOC Chapter Delegates; chapter-support at isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Revised Chapter Agreement
>
> Hi all,
>
> > On 31 Jul 2017, at 12:06 PM, Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org> wrote:
> > With the increased financial support to our Chapters we also have an
> increased responsibility and accountability towards our community. It is
> the responsibility of Internet Society s leadership to manage its funds in
> a responsible and transparent manner.
> > This implies that the legal relationship between Internet Society and
> its Chapters needs to be well defined.
>
> Thanks for this. I think it s very good!  Well done Joyce and others :)
>
> >   Purpose of Chapter.
> > The purpose of the Chapter shall be to support the Internet Society s
> vision, mission, and operating principles in the Territory.
>
> I agree that this is one purpose of the Internet Society of South Africa,
> and the purpose of this agreement :)
>
> One of our primary purposes as an association of Internet Society members,
> is to participate in the ICT policy making processes in our country.
> Another purpose is to assist our colleagues in other countries with their
> policy making in that country.
>
> We have asked for over a decade for global support on national policy
> making activities. I have suggested that a policy analyst who can compare
> various trending policies to be able to provide us with important
> international data about other policies in other countries of similar
> nature. For example we have a Cybersecurity Bill in our Parliamentary
> process and it will be invaluable to see an analysis of it s components
> compared to other countries that have already been through that process,
> ideally not a US centric or  North  view, something neutral would be ideal.
>
> So regards this section:
> > Internet Society Support.
> > The Internet Society will provide the following support to the chapters
> in accordance with ISOC s annual business plan:
>
> I suggest again that we need support from ISOC Global to provide a global
> policy analyst to assist with support on National Policy Making activities.
> This should not be a local activity, it s not regional, it's a global
> policy analyst  activity need that we have had for decades. Please help !
>
> Sincerely
>
>
> Alan Levin
> ISOC-ZA
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> Best regards,
> Veni
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