[Chapter-delegates] IGF Ambassadorship Open

Fri Jul 8 06:06:00 PDT 2016

In principle I am personally favorable to a positive discrimination.
Nevertheless, I think we should have 2 separate programs :
- ISOC IGF Ambassadorship program : open to only chapter leaders, with no
age restriction. The reason is that the word Ambassadorship means that we
need people that already adhere in ISOC principles and vision; no one
better than chapter leaders to represent ISOC.
- ISOC IGF Fellowship : This should be open to anyone regardless their
membership ( preference will go to non members, and countries with no
chapters ). With this program you can require the applicant to be under 40,
and to seek in a "new/future" leadership role either by getting more active
members in the chapter or creating new chapters.

Khaled

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2016-07-08 13:29 GMT+02:00 James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>:

> This is a topic I’ve been ruminating on for a while. And as a disclaimer
> in case its needed, I’m under 40 and for another week at least under 30
> years old.
> I think we have a serious issue with capacity in the IG space and Im not
> sure if our efforts are actually making a huge difference.
>
> Many of the fellowship and outreach programs are focussed on getting
> people in the door and to meetings physically, almost to the exclusion of
> all other criteria, and as such have been focussed on youth, developing
> nations etc, this is obviously a noble goal, and one that we do need to
> keep a focus on, many people claim its the cornerstone of the legitimacy of
> the multistakeholder and IG model, and I don’t necessarily disagree. But we
> have a huge gap, once people have stepped over the threshold…. Not much
> happens and we lose those people that could have become productive members
> of the community.
>
> I think we need to take a serious look at our ability to engage and manage
> people who want to get into the nitty gritty details, because we are so
> incredibly understaffed in that area that its a serious concern of mine.
> And that means opening our support systems to anyone who can demonstrate
> knowledge, ability and willingness to perform as a volunteer. Wether these
> end up as two separate streams of engagement across the various I*
> organisations is for others to determine, but I do think that we need to
> realise and accept that we have a capacity problem that we are not fixing
> despite our efforts, and we should take a hard hard look at excluding
> potential applicants who can be converted into the people on the front
> lines, building policy, ensuring our agenda is heard and doing the work. If
> we exclude these people based on arbitrary criteria then we are doing
> ourselves a disservice I think. If someone is willing to get involved and
> do the work I don’t think we should care if they are 18 or 80, from the US
> or from Uzbekistan, I feel that we almost don’t have that luxury yet, or if
> we feel we do, then we need a parallel program for those willing to do the
> heavy lifting.
>
> -James
>
> From: Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> on
> behalf of Laurie Patton <ceo at internet.org.au>
> Date: Friday 8 July 2016 at 12:18
> To: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
> Cc: ISOC Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] IGF Ambassadorship Open
>
> Hi Nadira
>
> I think you are missing the point. We need to do three things IMO...
>
> 1. Respect and cherish our Internet heroes who have been fighting to good
> fight for so long. Learn from them while challenging their legacy
> strategies,
>
> 2. Encourage and develop new, younger, talent and position them for future
> leadership roles,
>
> 3. Create a pathway for new, experienced people who can increase the
> breadth of experience available and bring proven strategies that have not
> been envisaged by the 'old hands' or the emerging talent.
>
> Enforcing quotas will inevitably work against this.
>
> Cheers
>
> LAURIE PATTON
> Chief Executive Officer | Internet Australia
>
> "Helping Shape Our Internet Future"
>
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> On 8 Jul 2016, at 18:24, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Laurie,
> Getting "new" leaders doesn't come overnight, we need time to prepare
> younger generation to understand and get them engaged into the community.
> If there is no such programs -including activities carried by individual
> chapters- how do we get large base of younger generation to understand
> Internet Governance and be the future leaders?
>
> From my perspective, for those >40 if by now they are not empowered to be
> a leaders, it is not easy to change their characteristic.
>
> As per the discussions here, I'm totally with the allocation of travel
> support budget to those involved and possible current leaders.
>
> Nadira
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Laurie Patton <ceo at internet.org.au>
> wrote:
>
>> So you are only interested in new leaders if they are under 40 then?
>>
>> Thanks for making me feel so welcome!
>>
>> LAURIE PATTON
>> Chief Executive Officer | Internet Australia
>>
>> "Helping Shape Our Internet Future"
>>
>> Contacts:
>> Mobile: +61 (0) 418 777700
>> Twitter: @LJPatton
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>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 16:26, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 Alejandro,
>> The IGF Ambassadors program is under the Next Generation Leaders
>> Programme,
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders-ngl-programme
>>
>> It makes full sense to target younger potential applicants.
>> Interesting to see many of those got involved into the Next Generation
>> Leaders progarmme are leaders in their respective positions.
>>
>> Nadira
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> before everybody gets carried away... has anyone under 40 complained
>>> about ageism yet?
>>>
>>> This policy was established with several purposes and some of them at
>>> least have been fulfilled successfully.
>>>
>>> The premise is that a call based only on grounds of merit and experience
>>> has a strong incentive to end up selecting largely the same set of people
>>> again and again, in a self-reinfocing feedback cycle. (who has more
>>> experience and more extensive networks than those who have attended most
>>> meetings?
>>>
>>> Fresh insights and new people have to come into our system.
>>>
>>> The policy of selecting under-40's has been very successful at least in
>>> our chapter. The members who have attended workshops, IGFs, IETF, and ICANN
>>> meetings have not only acquired knowledge and experience but also networks
>>> of their own, with a younger generation as well as with the old, with
>>> grassroots as well as with staff. Bringing in insights about today's
>>> Internet and looking into its future, strongly committed, highly
>>> motivated.. just what we were 15 or 20 years ago!!
>>>
>>> Now thanks to the policy we have a small group, in our case three layers
>>> deep, of people who can and *will* take the reins of the Chapter in the
>>> near future. So ISOC's pro-under-40 policy is actually helping our
>>> succession planning - isnt' that a major responsibility we have in
>>> chapters? - for free!
>>>
>>> Do we have a problem left to deal with in funding participation for the
>>> most experienced members? yes, no doubt. Olga, you are now a Trustee, it's
>>> upon you (you have the power to change the things you do not like and to
>>> deliver on the promise your statement implies), and on whoever succeeds you
>>> very soon in your position in the Chapter Advisory Council as well.)  (I'm
>>> sure the CHAC is also considering this issue.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, David Vyorst <dvyorst at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>> +50
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Vyorst
>>>> Co-Founder, Relay Station Digital Strategies
>>>>
>>>> www.relaystationmedia.com
>>>> 202.841.2400
>>>> @dvyo
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Ricardo Holmquist <rihogris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much Glenn,
>>>>> Have the same feeling, for the ones over 50 , that actually have to
>>>>> work hard to make the local IGF a reality, with almost no help from the
>>>>> former fellows is discouraging. Hope this changes, not only in ISOC, but in
>>>>> some other I Organizations, where it is not written, but at the end is the
>>>>> main criteria.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Ricardo Holmquist
>>>>>
>>>>> El Thursday, July 7, 2016, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The call for IGF Ambassadors has opened for  IGF Mexico.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note the limitations
>>>>>> Selection criteria
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IGF Ambassadorships are for young Internet Society members who have a
>>>>>> strong interest in the issues and themes of the IGF. Ambassadorship awards
>>>>>> are available for first-time and returning ambassadors. Selection for the
>>>>>> Ambassadorships is competitive. All applicants must be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - *between the ages of 20 and 40*
>>>>>>    - a member of the Internet Society
>>>>>>    - able to present a strong motivation for attending the IGF
>>>>>>    meeting
>>>>>>    - able to demonstrate interest and expertise in issues on the IGF
>>>>>>    agenda
>>>>>>    - able to demonstrate experience in leading Internet governance
>>>>>>    discussions at the international level and in multi-cultural environments
>>>>>>    - capable of appropriately represent the Internet Society and its
>>>>>>    views and policies as an Ambassador during the IGF
>>>>>>    - capable of  continuing to work with the Internet Society
>>>>>>    locally after the IGF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am curious  how  the  *Internet is for  Everyone, *but why does
>>>>>>  ISOC  continues to limit the ambassadors to under 40 years old.
>>>>>> Interesting since  ARIN  Fellowship or  ICANN has removed this obvious
>>>>>> discrimination against dedicated volunteers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how many previous candidates actually worked with the local
>>>>>> chapters after the IGF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently at  ICANN  we reviewed all the fellows based upon their
>>>>>>  self-identified sectors and countries and the bias has been for  World
>>>>>> Least Developed economies- this has meant that  US  territories in the
>>>>>> South Pacific,  first Nations,  poor and rural  Americans  were not
>>>>>> eligible.  We have stated for  years that this is unfair to  Canadian and
>>>>>> US  first nations/indigenous ( can be treated as independent tribal
>>>>>> governments) .  ICANN is now  reexamining their criteria with a noteworthy
>>>>>> change to allow first nations people to participate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else feel  that  ISOC's  ambassador program suffers from
>>>>>> ageism?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
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