[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

Mon Feb 22 03:56:40 PST 2016

Hi All,

To make discussion more interesting:

Ikea has lost the rights to its own name in Indonesia
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/indonesia> after the country’s highest
court ruled that the trademark was owned by a local company.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/05/rattan-decision-ikea-loses-rights-name-indonesia-trademark-battle

Regards,
Yudho Giri Sucahyo
ISOC Indonesia - Jakarta Chapter.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:

> Indeed the concepts of trademark, copyright, and patent are international
> concepts, and indeed key treaties are negotiated in the World Intellectual
> Property Organization (WIPO).  But in recent years, the push continually to
> strengthen intellectual property rights has come from the US, and the US
> has not hesitated to go forum shopping when it was unable to get what it
> wanted in WIPO.  See for example the TRIPS agreements made in WTO, and the
> attempt to get ACTA agreed. See also the extension of the duration of
> copyright that is in the TPP.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> *From:* Chapter-delegates [mailto:
> chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] *On Behalf Of *Vint Cerf
> *Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2016 12:00
> *To:* Alan Levin
> *Cc:* ISOC Chapter Delegates
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society
> China
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> actually, the concept of trademark and copyright is not US-centric. There
> is something call the World Intellectual Property Organization and its
> membership is quite international.
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> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
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> Vint,
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> On 21 Feb 2016, at 8:41 PM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>
> Alan, the question is whether these chapters usurp the good name of the
> Internet Society for their own purposes and give others the impression
> that their works are sanctioned by the organisation.
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> Thank you so much for your wisdom always :)
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> I agree!
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> And my note was just to say that I do not believe that the Chinese
> Internet Society do that. If anything they keep us all wide awake
> especially with regards to the US centricity of the concept of
> "Intellectual Property".
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> Sincerely
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> Alan
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> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
> Hi Glenn,
>
> ISOC South Africa has a peer based relationship with ISOC China. We
> respect their reasons for not falling under the paternalistic banner of
> ISOC global and we believe that they do good work within their cultural
> boundaries. We tow the line as best as we can as a Chapter structure
> although at the same time we respect our rights to sovereignty in our
> geography. As far as I know ISOC China has never claimed to be an ISOC
> Chapter and is overtly sovereign.
>
> If you're speaking about elections, I'm not sure if someone pushing the
> intellectual property of a community based organisation rates above
> issues like education, policy making, public participation, etc.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Alan
>
> On 21 Feb 2016, at 5:58 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Hi All
> > For the record  I have  been  asking for  our  attention to the  ISOC
>  Toronto  issue for three years.  As  one of the advocates  to create a
> legitimate  ISOC Chapter  in Canada ( one of two)  this  group not only
> steals the site but is gathering information on interested parties.  How
>  many people have surrendered their  contact information to a mystery group
> without any accountability.
> >
> > If ISOC allows  it's  brand to be  stolen, hijacked and misrepresented
> by false and misleading groups  we  have a serious  problem.
> >
> > I would like the  silent nominees  for the ISOC Board get off their
>  hands and wade into this issue.   This should be  an election issue that
> forces the nominees into the discussion.  If they are silent  why are they
> running for the board?
> > Glenn
> >
> > Glenn McKnight
> > mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
> > skype  gmcknight
> > twitter gmcknight
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
> > Based on previous experience, I believe China would be difficult
> regardless of trademark issues.  But if you click on the isoctoronto link
> below, they seem to have actually hijacked our whole website, which adds
> significantly to the confusion.  Michael
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 21 Feb 2016, at 16:07, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they
> eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about
> this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they
> changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the name
> for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to get them
> to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure to defend
> the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be trademarked except it
> has to refer to the "network of networks" we call "Internet" (a ten year
> battle against a banking consortium that was granted the trademark to
> "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K in legal fees and only went
> away when there was a change in management that didn't think it was worth
> fighting further.).
> >>
> >> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
> >>
> >> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
> >>
> >> v
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> >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight <
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Folks
> >> Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society
> organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS membership
> of APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
> >>
> >> I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that confuse the
> public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But  no one has  taken
> notice.
> >>
> >>  I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the  www.isoctoronto.org    has
> been  a rogue  site for  a few years   I am including a screencapture of
> the  registration page they have  people  falsely add their information.
> >> We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false or
> rogue sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is  branding itself
> as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to this situation
> we have a problem.
> >> Glenn
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> >> Glenn McKnight
> >> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
> >> skype  gmcknight
> >> twitter gmcknight
> >> .
> >>
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Yudho
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