[Chapter-delegates] How do we incorporate China and other countries that are different?

[Ricardo Holmquist]

Dave,
Do you mind to change the speech from North - South to some other term.
Russia and China are both in the North, and there are a lot of ISOC
chapters in the south, including Australia, all of South America, and some
of Africa. For this matters keeping the developed north - poor undeveloped
south is just playing the old URSS game of polarization, and this world
changed 25 years ago.

By the way, we have chapters in four of the BRICS countries, that might be
a way to approximate to the other one.

Thanks

Ricardo Holmquist

On Sunday, 21 February 2016, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','apisanty at gmail.com');>> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> though this may puncture a balloon, there has been at least one Chinese
> citizen, national and resident in the ICANN Board.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Kathy and folk, with respect
>>
>> Using the name Internet Society of CHina is tasteless, but there are much
>> more important issues in this discussion.
>>
>> China has twice as many Internet users as the U.S. and the gap is growing
>> at 5-8M users per year. Africa is about to pass 315M Internet users, the
>> entire population of the United States. (Cisco data.) Cheap smartphones are
>> bringing two *billion* more people to the Internet. We all think that's
>> a great thing.
>>
>> *I do not believe Internet governance (or ISOC) can be effective with the
>> majority of world Internet users excluded.* As Ambassador Phil Verveer
>> said to me the night of the ITU WCIT vote, "We must build bridges."
>>
>> *It's time for a Nixon Goes to China move for the Internet. *Kathy, Vint
>> or whoever is leading us should be finding a way to work with all nations.
>> Bob Kahn, an Internet Society founder, might be one natural link. He spoke
>> at that conference in China, as did several other Internet Society
>> supporters.
>>
>> I'm not blind to how many people starved in the 1950's in China, what
>> happened at Tiananmen Square, or the speech limitations in China today. I'm
>> also not blind to what America did in Vietnam or the $billions being spent
>> to buy the U.S. elections.
>>
>> I'm sure we all can make lawyer-like arguments here. But it's missing the
>> key issue. We need to solve the North-South divide about the Internet.
>>
>> In Dubai at the WCIT a few hours before that vote, I asked Larry
>> Strickling why the U.S. was fighting so hard over what seemed to me some
>> very minor issues, at most of symbolic value. He looked at me and asked,
>> "Dave, do you want Russia or China to be running the Internet?" We both
>> went back to work.
>>
>> Later, I realized I should have said, "Of course I want Russia and China
>> to have a meaningful role. If we continue to exclude them, ultimately the
>> Internet will split."
>>
>> I did not know at that time that no Chinese were on the Board of ICANN
>> because that would not be acceptable to the U.S.
>>
>> The Internet Society should be leading the way. Excluding China - and so
>> many others - I believe will fail.
>>
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>> Which doesn't say anything about whether this is the right way to handle
>> who is a civil society group. That's a side issue. The big question is
>> whether the ICANN board and the decision makers of all important groups
>> here see more than one side of the North South divide.
>>
>> Dave Burstein.
>>
>>
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