[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Hi,

the issue of "Internet Society of China" runs much deeper than trademarks
and other possible forms of intellectual property over the name. The key
issue is the nature of the organization - and unfortunately that leads to
the nature of decision making in APRALO too.

The ISC is *not* a self-standing, membership-driven or cause-oriented NGO
comparable to most if not all chapters of ISOC, and ISOC itself. It is a
policy branch of organizations driven from the top or at least which are
force to toe (not tow, Alan) the party lilne. The analogy between a "party
line" in ISOC and a party line in China is laughable.

It is very difficult - from past experience at least - to say that ISC
carries the voice of at-large, general Internet users of China and thus is
a legitimate At Large Structure as defined withiin the At-Large space of
ICANN. On the other hand, the APRALO leadership has often been seen to act
in ways that are consistent with the interpretation that they consider it
necessary to yield to power- and other geopolitically-based considerations.

I hope some Asia-Pacific chapters which are also ALSs can deliver whatever
results from a discussion in this space to the APRALO leadership.
Unfortunately it will be very difficult to revert this decision even if it
is proven wrong.

(I'm open to new information about recent changes in ISC that could upturn
the above, of course.)

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Eric Burger <eburger at standardstrack.com>
wrote:

> Also, trademarks are by their nature national. To protect the brand, ISOC
> (ours) would need to register is lots and lots of countries. That may not
> be possible from a legal perspective in all countries and is unquestionably
> cost prohibitive to register in many countries.
>
> As for isoctoronto.org, it looks like a phishing site. That might violate
> .ORG terms of service. I’ll ask.
>
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com> wrote:
>
> In some countries NGOs have no rights to have any foreign supervisor (may
> be there is a more correct  word, which describes relationship  of  ISOC
> and its  Chapters )
> structure,  any dependance is prohibited. If ISC is in such situation, it
> is better to find a solution for thier case, it is not a simple question.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
>
> On 21.02.2016 18:15, Glenn McKnight wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
> Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society
> organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS membership of
> APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
>
> I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that confuse the
> public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But  no one has  taken
> notice.
>
>  I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the   <http://www.isoctoronto.org/>
> www.isoctoronto.org    has been  a rogue  site for  a few years   I am
> including a screencapture of the  registration page they have  people
>  falsely add their information.
> We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false or rogue
> sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is  branding itself as a
> viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to this situation we
> have a problem.
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> Glenn McKnight
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
> skype  gmcknight
> twitter gmcknight
> .
>
>
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