[Chapter-delegates] FW: Application for ISOC Montenegro Chapter

Wed Mar 4 11:38:55 PST 2015

Hi Alejandro, you've  quite right in certain points.
But, there is no guarantee of objectivity at 100% on that.
For me, the rigorous criteria of selection to entry do not always justify
the selection of the right candidate.
The best assessment must be based on the action and dynamism of the Chapter
on the field.
If the staff can help us look at the statistics, how many chapters exist in
the world, how many of them are really active and dynamic? An annual or
biennial assessment  of Chapters can tell us more  and will help to
appreciate the true number of  the "Good" Chapters.
In my opinion in summary, ISOC must accredit any local structure that meets
certain minimum rules, then impose the achievement of certain results at
the end of each year or for every two years, then also plans to remove the
accreditation if some outcome are not met after 3 or 5 years. Perhaps ISOC
should imagine a classification of chapters (active, less active, etc.), ie
to  enforce the chapters into a competition that keeps them active ?
So, I want to say welcome to any newcomer Chapter, but they should keep
working on the field. My major criteria of selection are not at the
entrance, but after 1 or 2 years of the field.

Warm regards,
Janvier Ngnoulaye
ISOC Cameroon

2015-03-04 19:06 GMT+01:00 Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>:

> Joyce, all,
>
> thanks for resending the ISOC .me (Montenegro) application.
>
> I am not familiar with the roster of start-up members (as I am indeed OTOH
> with the Dominican Republic members) so can't judge on that basis.
>
> Other than that the chapter composition and stated purposes seem to
> reflect what we at least partially know of the environment in Montenegro; a
> good combination of academics, technologists and, very importantly,
> enterprise and start-ups which seems to be a vibrant activity there.
>
> On the people side of the decision I defer to others with better
> knowledge.
>
> I am making this longer statement because the process we follow in ISOC
> for the recognition of new chapters is exemplary for the At Large
> environment of ICANN, to which many chapters often apply as At Large
> Structures (ALS's) promptly after recognition by ISOC. The ISOC process is
> known to be rigorous and therefore in many cases the RALOs take it as a
> strong precedent for the recognition of the chapters as ALS's.
>
> We *have* had to fight hard for the recognition of some but even in those
> cases, the ISOC process has been taken  into account by the opponents or
> questioners of the recognition as ALS.
>
> Therefore we need to keep this job up to a high standard, so that its
> integrity is a gurantee for others. It works in favor of everybody to know
> that we as chapters are subject to this close scrutiny by our own
> organization. We go in more strongly into debates and environments in which
> transparency and accountability are hurled around like flaming arrows.
>
> This applies equally well to the national environments of which among
> others Walid here, and Rafael "Lito" Ibarra in the Candidates Forum, have
> recently expressed concerns. Knowledgeable, global-and-local, honest,
> networked and accountable is our name.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>>   Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>  As I am surprised by the silence around this application from
>> Montenegro I'm resending the message.
>>
>>  Thanks a lot
>> Joyce
>>  --
>>  Joyce Dogniez, CMM
>> Director of Chapters
>> Internet Society
>>
>>  dogniez at isoc.org
>> tel: +352 621 266 189
>> Skype: joycedogniez
>>
>>
>>   From: Joyce Dogniez <dogniez at isoc.org>
>> Date: Monday, February 23, 2015 at 9:57 AM
>> To: "chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org" <
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Cc: Tommi Karttaavi <karttaavi at isoc.org>
>> Subject: [Chapter-delegates] Application for ISOC Montenegro Chapter
>>
>>    Dear colleagues,
>>
>>  The following application for a Chapter in Montenegro has been received.
>> It is being sent to this list for peer comment and review. Please note
>> that the Chapter is not yet formed and has not been officially recognised
>> by the Internet Society.
>>
>>  If there are people on this list that know any of the individuals
>> proposing to establish the Chapter, their feedback is especially welcome.
>>
>>  The period allowed for comments is two weeks and the deadline is March
>> 9,
>> 2015.
>>
>>  Please do not hesitate to contact me on or off list.
>>
>>  Best regards,
>>
>>  Tommi Karttaavi
>> Manager, Chapter Development - Europe
>> Internet Society
>>
>>
>>   --
>>  Joyce Dogniez, CMM
>> Director of Chapters
>> Internet Society
>>
>>  dogniez at isoc.org
>> tel: +352 621 266 189
>> Skype: joycedogniez
>>
>>
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