[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative

[Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez]

Thank you Richard,

i was talking in terms of speedy solutions from the point of view of the final user, or even the non-user -beyond the digital divide-, and in no way I meant forcing any type of decision within the community.

Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
Chair ISOC Costa Rica
http://www.isoc-cr.org
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> El 20/11/2014, a las 4:40, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> escribió:
> 
> Dear Carlos,
> 
> Whether or not to "increase speed" is a delicate matter when there is lack of unanimity.  It is not necessarily a good idea to force decisions when there is no true consensus.  I think that was the case at WCIT, but also at Netmudial, where, as you know, several civil society organizations expressed reservations about the outcome.
>  
> On the other hand, I agree that sometimes decisions do need to be taken, even if there is not unanimity.  But it is a delicate matter.
>  
> Best,
> Richard
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carlos Raúl G. [mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org]
>> Sent: jeudi, 20. novembre 2014 01:27
>> To: Richard Hill
>> Cc: Livingood, Jason; chapter-d >> Chapter Delegates
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative
>> 
>> Dear Richard!
>> 
>> Thank for your good explanations. But if we don't need new groups or not, we agree that the present ones have to increase their speed exponentially and not wait just for the next meeting.
>> 
>> The speed of he cross community working groups on the IANA transition or the speed of the Net Mundial declaration should be the new benchmarks for the local/regional issues as well, if we want continuous support from the bottom of the connectivity ladder.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> +506 8335 2487
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>> El nov 19, 2014, a las 4:40 PM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch <mailto:rhill at hill-a.ch>> escribió:
>> 
>>> Dear Carlos,
>>>  
>>> I agree that your 3 below is an issue. It it affects the cost of connectivity, in particular in developing countries.  This issue has been under discussion in ITU for many years, see for example:
>>>  
>>>  http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/ <http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/>
>>>  
>>> So one might conclude that it is not sufficiently addressed by ITU.  But the reason for the relatively slow progress of the discussions is that there were major disagreements regarding the causes, and thus regarding what measures to take to address the issue.
>>>  
>>> Recently, there has been quite a bit of progress, because consensus has been reached that there are multiple causes, and all should be addressed, see:
>>>  
>>>   http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2 <http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2> 
>>>  
>>> I doubt that some other forum could have progressed the discussions any faster, unless it was a forum that did not include the full spectrum of views (for example, if the forum included mostly developed country operators, you would reach conclusions quickly, but they would not be necessarily accepted by developing county operators).
>>>  
>>> So, for the particular issue you raise, I don't see the need for any new groups.
>>>  
>>> I do, however, see the need to improve existing groups, and this is, I think, consistent with the ISOC statement.
>>>  
>>> Best,
>>> Richard
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Carlos Raúl G.  <mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org>
>>>> To: Livingood, Jason <mailto:Jason_Livingood at cable.comcast.com>
>>>> Cc: chapter-d >> Chapter Delegates <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative
>>>> 
>>>> 1- YES
>>>> 2- YES 
>>>> 3- regional traffic Infraestructure and local market conditions for access 
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez 
>>>> +506 8335 2487
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> El nov 19, 2014, a las 12:57 PM, Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood at cable.comcast.com <mailto:Jason_Livingood at cable.comcast.com>> escribió:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/19/14, 9:58 AM, "Sivasubramanian M" <isolatedn at gmail.com <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> @Raul  It is not well understood that this is NOT our final position, and a bit of negative publicity has resulted and a few other actors have used this announcement to campaign against NETmundial.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is not about NETmundial, it is about the newly proposed NETmundial Initiative, something quite different. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I regret that you feel it put us in a negative position but we strongly disagreed with the entire top-down concept of oversight of the group. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some questions I have:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1 – Do you agree that the IANA transition is a very important priority for us to continue to focus on?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2 – Are there major “Internet governance” issues that cannot be addressed by existing groups – OR are being insufficiently addressed by existing groups?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3 – If so, what are those issues?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Jason
>>>> 
>>>> 
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