[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on theNETmundial Initiative

Wed Nov 19 12:57:35 PST 2014

Richard,

we mostly agree. This is barely an Internet governance issue - at least
50/50 a teleoms issue, and it's not an orphan issue.

The stakehoders whom NMI might breing together are already meeting and
working together elsewhere.

Yes, it might be of interest if some telcos and governments meet in Davos
and agree to make progress in the existing fora. "Meeting in Davos and
agreeing for some other forum" is more Kaffeklatxch (gossip while drinking
coffee) than a new Internet governance mechanism.

So, most likely, one "orphan issue" which turns out to have parents,
grandparents, uncles, siblings and a whole, huge family, not an orphan.

This of course does not mean that it doesn't need attantion nor tha ISOC -
and other I* organizations - can't contribute. But we do scratch it from
the "absolutely needs NMI" list.

Alejandro Pisany

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:

>  Dear Carlos,
>
> I agree that your 3 below is an issue. It it affects the cost of
> connectivity, in particular in developing countries.  This issue has been
> under discussion in ITU for many years, see for example:
>
>  http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com03/iic/
>
> So one might conclude that it is not sufficiently addressed by ITU.  But
> the reason for the relatively slow progress of the discussions is that
> there were major disagreements regarding the causes, and thus regarding
> what measures to take to address the issue.
>
> Recently, there has been quite a bit of progress, because consensus has
> been reached that there are multiple causes, and all should be addressed,
> see:
>
>   http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-D.50-201305-I!Sup2
>
> I doubt that some other forum could have progressed the discussions any
> faster, unless it was a forum that did not include the full spectrum of
> views (for example, if the forum included mostly developed country
> operators, you would reach conclusions quickly, but they would not be
> necessarily accepted by developing county operators).
>
> So, for the particular issue you raise, I don't see the need for any new
> groups.
>
> I do, however, see the need to improve existing groups, and this is, I
> think, consistent with the ISOC statement.
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Carlos Raúl G. <crg at isoc-cr.org>
> *To:* Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood at cable.comcast.com>
> *Cc:* chapter-d >> Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Statement on
> theNETmundial Initiative
>
> 1- YES
> 2- YES
> 3- regional traffic Infraestructure and local market conditions for access
>
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
> +506 8335 2487
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El nov 19, 2014, a las 12:57 PM, Livingood, Jason <
> Jason_Livingood at cable.comcast.com> escribió:
>
>   On 11/19/14, 9:58 AM, "Sivasubramanian M" <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   @Raul  It is not well understood that this is NOT our final position,
> and a bit of negative publicity has resulted and a few other actors have
> used this announcement to campaign against NETmundial.
>
>
> It is not about NETmundial, it is about the newly proposed NETmundial
> Initiative, something quite different.
>
> I regret that you feel it put us in a negative position but we strongly
> disagreed with the entire top-down concept of oversight of the group.
>
>  Some questions I have:
>
> 1 – Do you agree that the IANA transition is a very important priority for
> us to continue to focus on?
>
> 2 – Are there major “Internet governance” issues that cannot be addressed
> by existing groups – OR are being insufficiently addressed by existing
> groups?
>
> 3 – If so, what are those issues?
>
> Thanks!
> Jason
>
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