[Chapter-delegates] Issues facing Chapters

[Vint Cerf]

that's good advice, Gihan.

ISOC benefits from the revenue of the .ORG top level domain. If ISOC is
paying taxes it must be for what is called Unrelated Business Income Tax
(UBIT). The Public Interest Registry (PIR) board control the operation of
.ORG (which is run by Afilias). Since both PIR and ISOC are non-profit,
they would normally not pay taxes at all.

Perhaps someone from ISOC HQ on this list can provide better information
than I can.

vint




On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Gihan Dias <gihan at uom.lk> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Let me give our experience in Sri Lanka, which may - of course - differ
> from Rwanda or any other country.
>
> On 2014/05/18 ප.ව. 5:11, Chris Mulola wrote:
>
>> -A chapter in a developed world whereby there is presence of these IT
>> company giants.
>>
>> - And a chapter in a developing country whereby there is no such thing
>> like Google's presence etc. and that all the other international
>> organizations, present in those countries, have only the mandate to help
>> governments that host them.
>>
>>  Google (and other similar companies) now have offices in many countries.
> Even if they have no office in Rwanda, they probably have local companies
> marketing their products (such as mail) and usually part of their budgets
> are earmarked for education, etc. We have got assistance from Intel and
> Microsoft for projects. Of course, ISoc, and the chapter leaders, need to
> establish a track record before people will give large amounts of money,
> but it has not been difficult to get like $500-$1000.
>
>>
>> Those organizations will have a mission to please these governments
>> because that is what their job is - diplomacy and international affairs.
>> And chapters will not get significant support from them like they are most
>> of the times politically-oriented.
>>
>>  One strategy may be to tap into some existing programme, and try to get
> your work done under that banner (but may not always work).
>
>>
>> I have been raising funds and fighting for support for more than 3 years
>> and i know what i am talking about.
>>
>>  Yes. I can understand your point.
>
>>
>> Just recently, i was challenged by a question following some reports of
>> what ISOC global pays as taxes on salaries to i dont know remember which
>> organization.. and the question was like this:
>>
>> "I wonder how your organization can be ignoring you by giving you $2000
>> annual support and spend more than 12millions US dollars (please  check
>> ISOC tax reports for the exact figure, it is about that) on taxes? The
>> money you are given cannot even cover your administration needs let alone
>> raise your visibility."
>>
>>  Could you let me have more details on this? I am not familiar with
> ISoc's accounts.
>
>>
>> If given the power there is something that i would like to change in the
>> way that isoc operates, i mean the working relationships between
>> governments-isocChapters-isocGlobal.
>>
>>  I hope that together we can achieve this.
>
>> I guess the situation will be slightly different in countries whereby the
>> Isoc people are the ones that  built the internet up along with their gover
>> ments, here they will continue to have a strong say. Case for Older
>> chapters i must say.
>>
> Even if the chapter is new, we should try to get some of the people who
> have built, and are running, the networks, services, etc. in the ISoc
> chapter. It is only then that people will take the chapter seriously.
>
>> I believe this will change one day, but it will not, if we continue to
>> put these chapters in the same basket and treat them the same way,
>> forgetting that they should be categorized, and given different kinds of
>> support. Just as an example.....  Not $2000 for a chapter in New York or
>> Colorado or Tokyo and the same $2000 for another one in Uganda or Burundi.
>>
> Actually, $2000 will not go far in New York, but may pay for a full time
> person for a year in a developing country. So it's not too bad.
> My suggestion is to first spend the $2000, show some very good results,
> and then keep going.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gihan
>
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