[Chapter-delegates] 2014 Internet Society Board of Trustees Elections

Sat Mar 29 14:15:34 PDT 2014

interestingly the same individuals may appear in all three or any
combination of groups - perhaps this is what caused Alex' reaction?

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On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>wrote:

> John,
>
> maybe; all the more possible given that English is not my native language,
> so may need your help. Here's the quote again, from Eric:
>
>
>>>    1. Chapters: the people who USE the Internet
>>>    2. Organizations: the people who BUILD and RUN the Internet
>>>    3. IETF: the people who INVENT, REFINE, and ensure an INTEROPERABLE
>>>    Internet
>>>
>>>
>  In this view, further, Hyatt Hotels, the Walt Disney Corporation and the
> Center for Democracy and Technology appear at least partially to ill fit
> the description of the organizations' role. IMO the fact that they don't
> build and run the Internet doesn't make them any less worthy members but
> the description still reflects the silo approach which I think should make
> us uncomfortable. I'm inclined to leave you the last word though.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:47 PM, John More <morej1 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Alejandro
>>
>> I am afraid you have misread what Eric said.  It seems to me he was
>> emphasizing that we are all in this together whatever our other roles are
>> in ISOC or life.  He was also speaking of the nature of the board of an
>> advocacy organization.  I have been involved in designing and being in the
>> leadership of a number, so what he wrote seemed to me to be on point.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I beg to differ... Eric's view:
>>
>> 1. seems to reflect a purely infrastructural view of the Internet. I'm
>> pretty sure that people in many chapters will consider themselves not only
>> as simple users Well beyond updating their Facebook walls with cute
>> pictures, Chapter members create e-commerce and e-government portals, train
>> and teach people and organizations, organize, campaign and lobby for
>> Internet principles at risk, develop original connectivity and software
>> solutions, build and deply gear, networks and services, and, what do you
>> know, ocassionally find themselves participating in the IETF.
>>
>> 2. seems to reflect a silo structure of the stakeholders and members of
>> ISOC, which extrapolates the necessary grouping of people and organizations
>> for internal organizational purposes into an existential divide. No
>> surprise that we find ISOC bureaucray accepting and even promoting this
>> silo view of stakeholders in Internet governance discussions and
>> activities; and little wonder they don't know what it is that hurt them
>> when this view bites back.
>>
>> The richness of the Internet Society does not lie in how it glues
>> together three separate tiles. It lies in how effectively it glues together
>> a rich tapestry of multfunctional, committed streams. Or was that way until
>> recently. Has Sigmund spent one night awake too many?
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alejandro PIsanty
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Dave Farber <dave at farber.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well said.
>>> On Mar 29, 2014 2:16 PM, "Eric Burger" <eburger at standardstrack.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are three legs to the ISOC three-legged stool:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Chapters: the people who USE the Internet
>>>>    2. Organizations: the people who BUILD and RUN the Internet
>>>>    3. IETF: the people who INVENT, REFINE, and ensure an INTEROPERABLE
>>>>    Internet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *No* leg is more important than the other:
>>>>
>>>>    - Chapters represent individual people’s interests, not driven
>>>>    (necessarily) by a profit or governmental motive.
>>>>    - Organizations represent the most people from more geographic
>>>>    regions than any Internet Society community.
>>>>    - The IETF represents the best in working out the best technical
>>>>    solution, irrespective of one’s company, national, or ethnic origin.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise:
>>>>
>>>>    - Without Organizations, we would not have the insights of how
>>>>    things *really* work.
>>>>    - Without Chapters, we would have no heart.
>>>>    - Without the IETF, there would not be an Internet for there to be
>>>>    an Internet Society.
>>>>
>>>> This is also why, as Jason pointed out, once each Internet Society
>>>> community selects Trustee(s), those Trustee do not represent that
>>>> community. Those Trustees work for the best result for the Internet. Not
>>>> Chapters. Not Organizations. Not the IETF. Not even the Internet Society as
>>>> a corporation. Just the best for the open, free, accessible, and
>>>> interoperable Internet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:41 AM, Gihan Dias <gihan at uom.lk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On 2014/03/29 පෙ.ව. 9:14, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any candidate can promise to throw money at a solution and hope it will
>>>> fix itself. (Whether, once on the Board, such a position has a realistic
>>>> ability to succeed, is reasonable to ask. )
>>>>
>>>> Evan,
>>>>
>>>> So I will refrain from making unrealistic promises.
>>>>
>>>> But the challenge is more than just money, it is one of changing
>>>> culture. IMO, those who are elected have a responsibility to ensure at the
>>>> Board level that chapters are a built-in characteristic of ISOC, indeed
>>>> *the* defining characteristic, not one that appears added on as an
>>>> afterthought.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Chapters came later in the society's evolution. However, now they
>>>> are (or should be) one of the two legs of the society, of equal status with
>>>> organisational members. I believe that the best way to do this to
>>>> strengthen chapters by
>>>> 1. Making chapters be active, visible and effective at a national
>>>> level, and to have chapters identify and drive national issues
>>>> 2. Have effective input from each chapter, through regional bureaus, to
>>>> the Society. This will include - but not be limited to - the Chapter
>>>> Advisory Council.
>>>> 3. Make chapters financially strong by supporting fund-raising at
>>>> chapter level.
>>>> 4. Support each chapter to have at least a part time paid staff member.
>>>> - otherwise volunteer officers will find it difficult to get any work done
>>>> 5. Encourage and support collaboration among chapters.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to get your views on other ways of strengthening
>>>> chapters.
>>>>
>>>> Such cultural evolution requires far more than financial consideration
>>>> to ensure chapter sustainability (though that component is certainly part
>>>> of it). I want to hear from each candidate a vision that indicates both an
>>>> understanding of this challenge and the political capability to confront it.
>>>>
>>>> Each chapter is unique, and will have its own challenges. ISoc should
>>>> be flexible enough to work with each chapter on its own terms, while at the
>>>> same time avoiding favoritism.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Gihan
>>>> ISoc Sri Lanka
>>>> BoT Candidate
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