[Chapter-delegates] The European offensive

Fri Feb 28 00:43:19 PST 2014

Hello all,

Please forgive my ignorance, I am still getting used to all this. Much
learning still to be done by a new chapter.

Given that ISO has been mentioned, I am interested to know if there is any
relationship -- formal, informal or otherwise -- between IETF and ISO (or,
to be more specific, the ICT component of ISO known as
"JTC1<http://www.iso.org/iso/jtc1_home.html>
").

I was involved for a while -- through the Canadian participant in ISO, the
Canadian Standards Association --  in
JTC1/SC22<http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards_development/list_of_iso_technical_committees/iso_technical_committee.htm?commid=45202>,
which deals with standardization of programming languages, APIs and file
formats. While most of the JTC1 work does not converge on Internet
infrastructure work done by IETF or W3C (dealing with cables, connectors,
hardware interfaces, file formats, etc), some of it (such as JTC1/SC27 on
"IT Security techniques"<http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards_development/list_of_iso_technical_committees/iso_technical_committee.htm?commid=45306>)
can come close. One working group still in formation, "JTC 1/SWG 5 -- the
Internet of Things (IoT)", certainly could benefit from some
cross-pollination if it doesn't already exist.

- Evan

On 28 February 2014 02:57, Halbersztadt Jozef (jothal) <
jozef.halbersztadt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In Poland, as in many countries, for public procurement we have regulation
>
> http://dziennikustaw.gov.pl/DU/2012/526/1
>
> § 16.2: If there is lack of rules, norms and standards referred in point
> 1 [set by state or EU norms authorities] applied are international
> standards, in particular developed by:
>
> 1) Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and published as Request For
> Comments (RFC),
>
> 2) World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) and published as W3C Recommendation
> (REC)
>
> In controversial situations it doesn’t work. Companies supported by their
> chambers of commerce use so called industrial standards. Eg. doc instead of
> odt etc.
>
> Regards
>
> Józef Halbersztadt
>
> --
> 'JotHal' jozef [dot] halbersztadt [at] gmail [dot] com
> Internet Society Poland http://www.isoc.org.pl
>
>
> 2014-02-26 9:18 GMT+01:00 Markus Kummer <kummer at isoc.org>:
>
>  Dear Elver, Vint, all,
>>
>>
>>  Vint has explained the problem in a nutshell. Most governments adopt
>> standards that derive either from their national standards bodies and/or
>> official international standards organizations, such as ITU-T and ISO at
>> the global level or, at the regional level, in Europe, CEN, CENELEC and
>> ETSI. Often, these organizations are referenced in national legislation as
>> well as in international treaties. How this is done, varies from country to
>> country. Some governments, for instance, recognize IETF standards by
>> reference, by specifying RFCs in public procurement. IT We would be
>> interested in hearing from our Chapters whether they have any indications
>> as to how this is handled in their respective countries. Ultimately, it
>> would be significant to have governments recognize IETF standards in their
>> national legislations.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you know, ISOC takes pride in providing the institutional home of the
>> IETF and does its best to promote the IETF and its work. The sentence that
>> caught your eyes refers to our outreach to governments we have been engaged
>> in for the past two years. We invited policy makers to IETF meetings and
>> will continue to do so. At the forthcoming IETF meeting in London we will
>> have more than 30 policy makers from all regions, nearly a third of them
>> from Europe.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Markus
>>
>>   From: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
>> Date: Tuesday25, February, 2014 10:56 AM
>> To: Elver Loho <elver.loho at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] The European offensive
>>
>>   some governments only recognize standards from national or treaty-like
>> organizations. They won't specify the use of other standards from private
>> sector organizations. I think this was just an offer to make known the IETF
>> work and the widespread voluntary adoption of its recommendations.
>>
>>  v
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Elver Loho <elver.loho at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I stumbled upon this document in one of ISOC's newsletters:
>>>
>>> http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/europe-bureau-public-policy/2014/02/european-commissions-position-future-internet-governance
>>>
>>> In it there is this sentence: "The Internet Society stands ready to
>>> assist European authorities to familiarize themselves with the work of
>>> the IETF and calls on European governments to recognize IETF
>>> standards."
>>>
>>> What is meant by this? How would a government formally recognize
>>> technical standards? Because if something sensible was meant by this
>>> sentence, then it could be a task for the local EU chapters.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Elver
>>> .ee
>>>
>>> elver.loho at gmail.com
>>> +372 5661 6933
>>> skype: elver.loho
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