[Chapter-delegates] Follow-up: Serious considerations to dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter

[Veni Markovski]

But wait, that's not all!

This is becoming more and more worrisome!
The text, actually, comes from... ISOC Global !!
*It is mandatory*!

http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/guidelines/bylaws.shtml


        Article XI. - Amendment and Voting Procedures

 1. *All proposed changes to these Chapter Bylaws shall have been
    approved by the ISOC Membership Team before being presented to the
    Chapter membership for a vote.*


I have no recollection about these guidelines, but they have so many 
flaws, errors and statements which contradict the national law, that if 
it was up to me, I would remove them permanently right now from the web 
site, and will put a statement that they were there by a mistake.
Why I am saying it? Because it is not the only mandatory text in these 
guidelines, and the rest is equally unacceptable by national 
legislation, but also by common sense. Take article 1:


        Article I. - Name

 1. * This organization shall be called the [*your chapter name* ]
    Chapter of the Internet Society.*


There's no way for a non-profit, which is created, and is not yet a 
recognized chapter to have this in their title. Further, to put it in 
the title, in some jurisdictions, would require some kind of document 
from ISOC, and in some cases this may be a Board decision. A Board 
decision of ISOC HQ. Really? Really???

Or how about article II - Purpose - *(again mandatory!)*
* This Chapter is chartered by the Internet Society. These bylaws 
neither supersede nor abrogate any of the Bylaws of the Internet Society 
that regulate chapter affairs.*

What if the bylaws of ISOC.org are against the laws of national chapters?

I can only imagine how some chapters might be feeling now, when they are 
reading these quotes.

But wait, that's not all!

How about "* All members of a chapter shall also be members of the 
Internet Society*"*(again mandatory!)*

Really?

Again - this page needs urgent take down.


best,
veni
chairman of the board
ISOC - Bulgaria.



On 09/27/13 13:45, Klaus Birkenbihl wrote:
>
> Norbert Klein wrote on 2013-09-27 11:15:
>> During this process we also faced the dilemma resulting from the 
>> following section of the proposed Bylaws:
>>
>>     *Article XI. - Amendment and Voting Procedures*
>>
>>     1.
>>
>>         All proposed changes to these Chapter Bylaws shall have been
>>         approved by the Internet Society (International) before being
>>         presented to the Chapter membership for a vote.
>>
> Hoho! Would be good to know how many chapters have this in their 
> bylaws. (I wonder how to work as a responsible board member of a 
> registered association in county (A) while non members of the 
> association in country (B) can control and block decisions.) Not being 
> the lawyer in our board I wonder if this would be legal at all. And 
> what btw. if a chapter member requests a change of the bylaws? How 
> could this work? Just for curiosity: is the guy who "proposed" this 
> still on ISOC staff?
>
> Best, Klaus
>
>
> -- 
> Klaus Birkenbihl
> Treasurer and Board member
> Internet Society German Chapter e.V. (ISOC.DE)
> c/o ict-Media GmbH
> http://www.isoc.de/
>
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