[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Veni Markovski]

This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming exactly 
at hosting personal data on US servers...

v.

On 10/22/13 08:01, Grigori Saghyan wrote:
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> Dear All,
> May be  it is possible to bypass some of  legal problems  with AMS if
> each Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing
> database services for each Chapter.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
>
>
> On 22.10.2013 15:41, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
>>
>> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing
>> in AMS, enable automatic renewal, enable reminder messages ect.,
>> make the AMS user friendly).  Make the funding of chapter  events
>> appropriate regarding the locations and regarding  the specified
>> Costs supported with relevant evidences (with some reasonable
>> restrictions). Make the EU regional Bureau   work with the
>> chapters, the week clippings are good but this is not what is
>> expected.  Then we may continue to other more difficult issues.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Borka
>>
>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys among the
>> membership provide sufficiently relevant information. So far no
>> evidence  of their usefulness!
>>
>> Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
>>> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos
>>> :) But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and
>>> others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from
>>> the reaction to John More's email I see that chapters are
>>> positively looking towards helping the HQ.
>>>
>>>
>>> v.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>>>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to
>>>> sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>>>>
>>>> Very complicated situation
>>>>
>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>
>>>> Internet Society Ecuador www.isoc.org.ec Síguenos @isocec
>>>>
>>>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl>
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>>>
>>>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the
>>>>> AMS system. An estimated near thousand member records are
>>>>> lost and/or corrupted. Maybe more, because who knows what
>>>>> happened before we recognized the problems? There are simply
>>>>> no activity logs on membership database mutations or just
>>>>> basic backups available to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back /
>>>>> recovery requests to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but
>>>>> until now zero solutions. Even our positive response to the
>>>>> proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the (for us useless)
>>>>> renewal function didn't result in any action. The only (sad)
>>>>> advantage is that the number of complains from our members on
>>>>> spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance
>>>>> (read compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very
>>>>> concerned with this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this,
>>>>> soon result in some improvements and we all can go back to
>>>>> our core activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote: Veni and Klaus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fully agree with all you have said. Instead on mission
>>>>>> the HQ is planning how to "discipline" the chapters. I
>>>>>> fully agree also what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and
>>>>>> the AMS (clumsy, not effective, duplication of the
>>>>>> administration etc.) A month ago cca 40 members of ISOC SI
>>>>>> were deleted from AMS, because their renewal was not done
>>>>>> on time!! When I asked the data to be recovered - the
>>>>>> answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>>
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> Grigori Saghyan
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