[Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft

Tue Nov 19 06:03:43 PST 2013

Alejandro,
On point 1 agree completely with you, and in support - our own ISOC 
member Sergey Stanishev, who is president of the Party of European 
Socialist, issued couple of statements last year:

EP Committee votes ACTA down despite EPP attempts 
<http://www.pes.eu/en/news/ep-committee-votes-acta-down-despite-epp-attempts>

and

PES President calls for European Parliament vigilance on new internet 
governance regulations: "We must make sure that rules don't allow ACTA 
by the back door" says Stanishev 
<http://www.pes.eu/en/news/pes-president-calls-european-parliament-vigilance-new-internet-governance-regulations-we-must-m>

I would expect that the ISOC office in Brussels will reach out to him on 
the TPP, too. If they need help, let me know.

Thanks!

On 11/19/13 08:54, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
> Markus,
>
> quite happy with the statement but:
>
> 1. we cannot use it "as a first step in [engagement] with policy makers in the countries concerned" because, what do you know, it is not our first step; we've been interacting with thte government, the academic, technical and professional community, and industry, for quite a while, on the issue of TPP. Since we were able to get the Senate to block ACTA, people actually count on ISOC Mexico to provide a voice, some reasoning and analysis, and parts of a strategy to deal with TPP as well. We'd be glad to share with you when you find it fit.
>
> 2. when do you plan to release the statement in the languages of "the countries concerned"? We can use that far more than the English-language statement. We may have a translation of our own by this evening if any session at ICANN becomes a bit boring.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
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> ________________________________________
> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Markus Kummer [kummer at isoc.org]
> Enviado el: martes, 19 de noviembre de 2013 07:01
> Hasta: Elver Loho; Evan Leibovitch
> CC: ISOC Chapter Delegates
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Internet Society Expresses Concern over Impact of IPR Provisions in TPP Agreement Draft
>
> Dear Elver, all,
>
> Thanks for the support. Indeed, you are right in thinking that time was of
> essence. We wanted to issue the statement while the news was still fresh.
> As we indicate in the statement, the leaked IPR Chapter of the TPP is a
> complex document that requires some time to analyse and absorb. We are
> aware that this is not the final text and it contains all the proposals
> and counterproposals. Having said that, some of these proposals caused our
> concern, in particular those relating to intermediaries and their overall
> impact on the Internet.
>
> We of course hope that all the Chapters in the concerned countries use the
> statement as a first step in their engagement with policy makers in the
> countries concerned. In order to facilitate their engagement strategies we
> hope to be able to translate the statement into Spanish.
>
> Of course we are happy to engage in policy discussions with you all. When
> we are speaking on public policy issues, we are looking at them from a
> global perspective and how they relate to the Internet. Given the highly
> territorial nature of IPR and the apparent differences between national
> laws and approaches, we are keen to hear from you and learn how these
> issues affect your respective countries.
>
> Best regards
> Markus
>
> On 11/19/13 8:35 AM, "Elver Loho" <elver.loho at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In defense of ISOC HQ (I bet nobody thought I'd every say that), I can
>> sort of understand how they don't consult with chapters or members
>> about upcoming press releases. This is a big circle of people and a
>> public mailing list, after all. Press releases tend to have more
>> impact when they are timely and when they have something brand new to
>> say. Both of which are harder to do when you have to consult with a
>> lot of people beforehand.
>>
>> What I would like to see is ISOC staff, who are working on TPP,
>> engaging in discussion with us about this topic on this mailing list.
>> And about other things as well. We hardly ever see staff here for some
>> reason.
>>
>> Best,
>> Elver
>> .ee
>>
>> elver.loho at gmail.com
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>> skype: elver.loho
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>>> Of course, there is more to the Internet references in the TPP and it's
>>> a
>>> shame that the ISOC analysis was not more complete.
>>>
>>> There also is end-user-POSITIVE text in the leaked TPP, specifically in
>>> the
>>> proposed requirement that member states' country code top level domains
>>> (ccTLDs)  rules more closely follow the same standards as ICANN sets for
>>> generic TLDs.
>>>
>>> There are other clauses that, to me, are not only unobjectionable but in
>>> fact might be welcomed.
>>> (https://wikileaks.org/tpp/#QQC12)
>>>
>>> One of ICANN's dirty little secrets is that generic TLDs have a
>>> completely
>>> different regulatory framework from ccTLDs, even though many cc's are
>>> marketed as generics (.tv .co .me etc). Creating an equitable playing
>>> field
>>> in this regard at very least reduces end user confusion, but also
>>> potentially offers more true and fair competition between TLDs.
>>>
>>> - Evan
>>>
>>> PS: I'm obviously new to this game, but is it customary for ISOC HQ to
>>> make
>>> press releases on global policy positions before alerting - let alone
>>> consulting - chapters?
>>>
>>> If chapters are expected to support / advance / defend such statements
>>> at
>>> the national or local level, getting advance buy-in would seem only
>>> reasonable. At least, enable an advance briefing with ISOC policy
>>> developers
>>> so that chapter advocates are not caught off-guard should local media or
>>> policy makers take an interest.
>>>
>>> I'm also not saying that the TPP, or the process which created it, are
>>> on
>>> the balance Good Things. Just that it is just as important to encourage
>>> the
>>> good parts as to reject the bad.
>>>
>>>
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