[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Charles Oloo]

+1 John

On 11/19/13, John More <morej1 at mac.com> wrote:
> Veni
>
> Some of what you ask is legitimate, but you are also leaping to legal
> conclusions that go well beyond the implications of signing or not signing
> this particle document.
>
> John More
>
> On Nov 18, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, everyone.
>> In the beginning - please, read all my comments, as there's important
>> question, concerning ALL chapters at the end.
>>
>> Isn't this something we already discussed?
>> I am not quite following the list, but I thought that some weeks ago we
>> talked about the fact that ISOC HQ requesting such a document from
>> chapters around the globe, is a mistake.
>> I thought that someone has actually made the case why it is not possible -
>> neither legally, nor from political point of view.
>> The suggestion that if a chapter cannot sign this document, it can become
>> an organizational member is also strange - are org members now non-paying?
>> I thought they pay some sponsorship to ISOC. Hope I misunderstood the
>> concept?
>>
>> Those, who have already signed a wrong document, are not good enough
>> argument for the rest to sign it, too.
>>
>> I personally see no need to hurry, do you? (Of course, there is the
>> personal moment - if such a requirement is in the quarterly goals of some
>> people at ISOC?)
>>
>> I am afraid that the 23 chapters Ted says have agreed to the MPS, might
>> not have checked with lawyers, or might not have understood completely
>> what they are signing, or might have believed that they are signing a
>> document, which has not importance whatsoever. And last, but not least,
>> may be they come from countries, where signing such a document is not
>> important. Note, that we still have not addressed with the ISOC membership
>> database - the fact that on US territory, a US-based legal entity is
>> keeping data for Europeans, at the same time, when ISOC itself is
>> protesting against Prism, ACTA, TPP and other dangerous initiatives.
>>
>> I believe someone also asked on this list ISOC HQ to respond to the
>> question: how can a chapter support the operating principles of ISOC? Is
>> there a Board resolution, asking the staff to request this from the
>> chapters? Now, I guess, we need to ask for some background information -
>> who decided this is a requirement? How would it be enforced? What would
>> happen, if it is not followed? Why would ISOC give its staff to waive any
>> of the requirements? If there is a waiver, would it be more natural for
>> the chapters to decide which ones of the requirements fit into their legal
>> model and statutes, and thus solve the whole problem? Is it not more fair
>> for the chapters to actually "waive", rather than for a staffer, who may
>> not even understand the cross-cultural differences or the legal
>> background.
>>
>> Hope this is helpful.
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/13 12:19, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>> Hi Ted,
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with the intention of the document. However there
>>> may be some local obstacles, and the Canada Chapter has submitted the
>>> renewal document to our own legal review.
>>>
>>> Specifically: non-profit orgs in Canada must have clearly stated
>>> objectives in their applications for incorporation. The Canada Chapter
>>> may - we likely will - have problems with local regulators if we legally
>>> obligate to objectives that are both foreign (ie. housed in Reston) and
>>> not completely known (what if ISOC HQ objectives and priorities change
>>> after we incorporate?)
>>>
>>> The current core values of ISOC are hard coded into the Canadian bylaws
>>> and beyond controversy. It is reference to external, potentially volatile
>>> objectives that worries local regulators.
>>>
>>> In this light, I would personally prefer that the "paper" link between
>>> chapters and HQ be in the form of a flexible partnership-based Memorandum
>>> of Understanding, rather than the current doc that more resembles a
>>> franchise agreement. An MoU approach offers the extra flexibility that
>>> chapters may require, to adapt the ISOC vision to best address local
>>> environments. It requires more mutual trust than a formal contract...
>>> But really, without a heightened level of mutual trust, can we really
>>> achieve our shared goals as well as we need to?
>>>
>>> Evan Leibovitch
>>> President
>>> Internet Society Canada Chapter
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>>
>> Best,
>> Veni Markovski
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>>
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