[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: [Itu2012chapters] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Sun Feb 10 07:44:42 PST 2013

Dear Vint and All,

Your idea is interesting when there is a cultural/linguistic cohesion in the
related country. 

Everyone is free and I guess that, in Canada, it is quite logical to have a
Quebec Chapter with different goals from a Canada Chapter. 
We see the same situation in the Federal State of Belgium: we have a
Wallonia Chapter (speaking French, 1998) and a Flemish Chapter which has
taken the name of Belgium. In Wallonia, we could not acknowledge a "country
authority" coming from a logical co-regional chapter, which is, in our view,
abusively using the name of the country. 

The same situation occurs in Spain, as far as I know, with different
chapters, goals and languages in Aragon, Catalonia and Galicia.

By the way, I don't find the list of chapters on ISOC website: I can't click
on the map and the chapters' names are not written on the map in my browser.
Where is that list?

Best,
Marie-Anne
Chair, ISOC Belgium - Wallonia

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Objet : [Chapter-delegates] Fwd: [Itu2012chapters] UPDATE: Application to
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Forwarding to the Chapter delegates list:

Begin forwarded message:

From: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
Date: 10 February 2013 12:21:54 CET
To: CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>
Cc: ISOC QUEBEC <ca at isocquebec.org>, Chapter Delegate Lists
<itu2012chapters at elists.isoc.org>, WALLONIE EXCOM <comex at wallonie-isoc.org>
Subject: Re: [Itu2012chapters] [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to
form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

It occurs to me that a formula that has worked successfully in the past in
other organizations has been to have national chapters and local chapters.
The Canadian ISOC could readily for a forum in which local chapters fit in -
leaving room for ISOC Quebec, ISOC Vancouver, etc. The "national/local"
feature might remove confusion about the nature of each. Local chapters are
for local ISOC members (and interested others) to meet and engage while the
National chapter allows for ISOC members without local chapter options to be
part of the Canadian ISOC landscape.

v

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:12 AM, CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>
wrote:
Good morning:

Without wishing to interfere in any way with the affairs of Canada and North
America, may I say that from our point of view it is most important that
ISOC-Quebec retains and develops its Francophone identity.

ISOC Quebec is one of the few Francophone chapters outside Africa and
Europe, and is highly valued and should be supported by ISOC as such. 
Furthermore there are other examples of vibrant regional Chapters with a
cultural and linguistic identity.

Best Regards

Christopher Wilkinson
Vice Chair
ISOC-Belgium-Wallonia

On 10 Feb 2013, at 01:30, Paul Brigner <brigner at isoc.org> wrote:

There was a good discussion about the Canadian chapter-in-formation on the
North American Google+ Hangout on Friday
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStVEmJbPOA&feature=youtu.be&t=25m7s> .
This link will take you to the relevant part of the video.

Best regards,
Paul Brigner

Regional Bureau Director, North America
Internet Society

"The Internet is for Everyone"

From: itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org
[mailto:itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Brown
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 11:21 AM
To: Houle Louis
Cc: 'ISOC QUEBEC'; Chapter Delegate Lists
Subject: Re: [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application
to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Hi Louis

I applaud ISOC Quebec’s 14 years. My hope is that by starting an ISOC Canada
chapter more interest in Internet issues will be generated in Canada making
it easier for regional chapters within Canada to start up. As I said my
original goal was to start an ISOC Vancouver or British Columbia chapter. I
have not given up on that goal. I expect within a couple of years as ISOC
Canada gets some press and recognition within Canada local city chapters in
the larger cities or provincial chapters will be a natural progression.
There is some precedent within ISOC for national and regional chapters
within a country. I think in Canada this can work very well and will result
in more overall participation and awareness of Internet issues. My vision of
the future is a thriving ISOC community in Canada with at least three or
four regional chapters as well as ISOC Canada.

Kerry Brown

From: Houle Louis [ <mailto:Louis.Houle at oricom.ca>
mailto:Louis.Houle at oricom.ca] 
Sent: February-08-13 9:55 PM
To: Kerry Brown
Cc: Judith Hellerstein; Chapter Delegate Lists; 'ISOC QUEBEC'
Subject: Re: [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application
to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Hi Kerry,

So how one could explain that ISOC Quebec is still  alive after almost 14
years!
In other words, having nation wide sponsors and members is a good thing, but
it doesn't mean that if they (sponsors ad members) think global, you won't
have to act locally to fullfill ISOC's mission. It doen't mean that national
issues successfully discussed will automatically solve local problems. This
is why I always agreed with ISOC Global on creating cities, states,
provinces and near to the users chapters, especially in North America. It
doesn't mean that there is no room for ISOC Canada. It certainly means that
we need more involvment in Canada, in the regions, territories and
provinces.

My 2 cents
Louis Houle
Président
La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
 <mailto:Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org> Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
Le 2013-02-05 22:35, Kerry Brown a écrit :
I would like to echo what Glenn has said. I am also involved with ISOC
Canada. Initially I was trying to setup an ISOC Vancouver chapter. I was
having a hard time getting possible sponsor interest. All the sponsors were
more interested in a national chapter. Canada is very nationally oriented
with regional organisations often struggling. When I started investigating
setting up a Vancouver chapter ISOC put me in touch with Glenn and Evan. We
quickly decided to pool our efforts for the reasons Glenn has stated.
Population wise Canada is smaller than California. There are only so many
possible members and sponsors. If several chapters were to chase them it is
unlikely more than one would survive. If we pool resources for a national
chapter which then supports regional sub groups or chapters we have a good
chance of getting more participation for the long term.

Kerry Brown

From:  <mailto:itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org [
<mailto:itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
mailto:itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Judith
Hellerstein
Sent: February-05-13 4:56 PM
To: Chapter Delegate Lists
Subject: [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to
form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Here is the response  from isoc canada. Hope this clarifies things for all.
If not please write back to glenn directly

Best,
Judith

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Begin forwarded message:
From: Glenn McKnight < <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
Date: February 5, 2013 7:51:06 PM EST
To:  <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com> judith at jhellerstein.com
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter
in Canada (Central)
Hi 
A few clarification points 
1. Bylaws
-ISOC  Canada Chapter will have a director from each and every exisiting
and potential chapter
-All sponsorship revenue would be shared equally with each chapter

2. National Voice
All telecom issues is governed by the CRTC  not a city or provincial body so
a  Country wide group is wise.

3. Interest
Support for the new chapter is across Canada

4. Letters of Support
Louis and the ISOC Quebec support the new chapter not the former name  ISOC
Canada Central  which was before. 

Hope this clarifies things
G

Glenn McKnight
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On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein <
<mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
Joly,

Forwarding this to Glenn and Evan who are the key people working on this
submission. I am not sure they are yet added to the chapter delegates list.
They best can answer all of your questions. Glenn and Evan,  Can you answer
Joly's and Imran's questions

Best,
Judith

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On 2/5/13 1:30 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
< <mailto:apisan at unam.mx> apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
I don't believe we as chapter delegates would fulfill our duties if we do
not ask these questions. Is there an agreement among the people in the
existing ISOC Quebec chapter and the newly-forming ones that is satisfactory
to all parties and fulfills the above two goals?
My concern is that a precedent be set that might come back to bite us
in other, more controversial, neighborhoods. I seem to recall a couple
of disputes in the past that were resolved by a firm policy from ISOC
that there should not be geographical overlap, period. As far as I
have heard, Quebec is still part of Canada.

j
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