[Chapter-delegates] Fwd: [Itu2012chapters] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Sun Feb 10 05:56:49 PST 2013

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> From: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
> Date: 10 February 2013 12:21:54 CET
> To: CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>
> Cc: ISOC QUEBEC <ca at isocquebec.org>, Chapter Delegate Lists <itu2012chapters at elists.isoc.org>, WALLONIE EXCOM <comex at wallonie-isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Itu2012chapters] [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)
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> It occurs to me that a formula that has worked successfully in the past in other organizations has been to have national chapters and local chapters. The Canadian ISOC could readily for a forum in which local chapters fit in - leaving room for ISOC Quebec, ISOC Vancouver, etc. The "national/local" feature might remove confusion about the nature of each. Local chapters are for local ISOC members (and interested others) to meet and engage while the National chapter allows for ISOC members without local chapter options to be part of the Canadian ISOC landscape.
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> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:12 AM, CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
> Good morning:
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> Without wishing to interfere in any way with the affairs of Canada and North America, may I say that from our point of view it is most important that ISOC-Quebec retains and develops its Francophone identity.
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> ISOC Quebec is one of the few Francophone chapters outside Africa and Europe, and is highly valued and should be supported by ISOC as such. 
> Furthermore there are other examples of vibrant regional Chapters with a cultural and linguistic identity.
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> Best Regards
> 
> Christopher Wilkinson
> Vice Chair
> ISOC-Belgium-Wallonia
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> On 10 Feb 2013, at 01:30, Paul Brigner <brigner at isoc.org> wrote:
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>> There was a good discussion about the Canadian chapter-in-formation on the North American Google+ Hangout on Friday.  This link will take you to the relevant part of the video.
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>> Best regards,
>> Paul Brigner
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>> Regional Bureau Director, North America
>> Internet Society
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>> "The Internet is for Everyone"
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>> From: itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Brown
>> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 11:21 AM
>> To: Houle Louis
>> Cc: 'ISOC QUEBEC'; Chapter Delegate Lists
>> Subject: Re: [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)
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>> Hi Louis
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>> I applaud ISOC Quebec’s 14 years. My hope is that by starting an ISOC Canada chapter more interest in Internet issues will be generated in Canada making it easier for regional chapters within Canada to start up. As I said my original goal was to start an ISOC Vancouver or British Columbia chapter. I have not given up on that goal. I expect within a couple of years as ISOC Canada gets some press and recognition within Canada local city chapters in the larger cities or provincial chapters will be a natural progression. There is some precedent within ISOC for national and regional chapters within a country. I think in Canada this can work very well and will result in more overall participation and awareness of Internet issues. My vision of the future is a thriving ISOC community in Canada with at least three or four regional chapters as well as ISOC Canada.
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>> Kerry Brown
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>> From: Houle Louis [mailto:Louis.Houle at oricom.ca] 
>> Sent: February-08-13 9:55 PM
>> To: Kerry Brown
>> Cc: Judith Hellerstein; Chapter Delegate Lists; 'ISOC QUEBEC'
>> Subject: Re: [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)
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>> Hi Kerry,
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>> So how one could explain that ISOC Quebec is still  alive after almost 14 years!
>> In other words, having nation wide sponsors and members is a good thing, but it doesn't mean that if they (sponsors ad members) think global, you won't have to act locally to fullfill ISOC's mission. It doen't mean that national issues successfully discussed will automatically solve local problems. This is why I always agreed with ISOC Global on creating cities, states, provinces and near to the users chapters, especially in North America. It doesn't mean that there is no room for ISOC Canada. It certainly means that we need more involvment in Canada, in the regions, territories and provinces.
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>> My 2 cents
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>> Louis Houle
>> Président
>> La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec)
>> Louis.Houle at isocquebec.org
>> Le 2013-02-05 22:35, Kerry Brown a écrit :
>> I would like to echo what Glenn has said. I am also involved with ISOC Canada. Initially I was trying to setup an ISOC Vancouver chapter. I was having a hard time getting possible sponsor interest. All the sponsors were more interested in a national chapter. Canada is very nationally oriented with regional organisations often struggling. When I started investigating setting up a Vancouver chapter ISOC put me in touch with Glenn and Evan. We quickly decided to pool our efforts for the reasons Glenn has stated. Population wise Canada is smaller than California. There are only so many possible members and sponsors. If several chapters were to chase them it is unlikely more than one would survive. If we pool resources for a national chapter which then supports regional sub groups or chapters we have a good chance of getting more participation for the long term.
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>> Kerry Brown
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>> From: itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:itu2012chapters-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Judith Hellerstein
>> Sent: February-05-13 4:56 PM
>> To: Chapter Delegate Lists
>> Subject: [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)
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>> Here is the response  from isoc canada. Hope this clarifies things for all.  If not please write back to glenn directly
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>> Best,
>> Judith
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>> Sent from my iPad
>> Judith at jhellerstein.com
>> Skype ID: judithhellerstein
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> Date: February 5, 2013 7:51:06 PM EST
>> To: judith at jhellerstein.com
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)
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>> Hi 
>> A few clarification points 
>> 1. Bylaws
>> -ISOC  Canada Chapter will have a director from each and every exisiting  and potential chapter
>> -All sponsorship revenue would be shared equally with each chapter
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>> 2. National Voice
>> All telecom issues is governed by the CRTC  not a city or provincial body so a  Country wide group is wise.
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>> 3. Interest
>> Support for the new chapter is across Canada
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>> 4. Letters of Support
>> Louis and the ISOC Quebec support the new chapter not the former name  ISOC Canada Central  which was before. 
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>> Hope this clarifies things
>> G
>>  
>> Glenn McKnight
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> skype  gmcknight
>> twitter gmcknight
>> Http://www.globalcatalysts.com
>> http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com
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>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>> Joly,
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>> Forwarding this to Glenn and Evan who are the key people working on this submission. I am not sure they are yet added to the chapter delegates list.  They best can answer all of your questions. Glenn and Evan,  Can you answer Joly's and Imran's questions
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>> Best,
>> Judith
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>> On 2/5/13 1:30 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
>> <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
>> I don't believe we as chapter delegates would fulfill our duties if we do not ask these questions. Is there an agreement among the people in the existing ISOC Quebec chapter and the newly-forming ones that is satisfactory to all parties and fulfills the above two goals?
>> My concern is that a precedent be set that might come back to bite us
>> in other, more controversial, neighborhoods. I seem to recall a couple
>> of disputes in the past that were resolved by a firm policy from ISOC
>> that there should not be geographical overlap, period. As far as I
>> have heard, Quebec is still part of Canada.
>> 
>> j
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