[Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in Gauteng

[Veni Markovski]

Alan, +1 on many of your comments.

v.

On 08/22/2013 06:56, Alan Levin wrote:
> Dear Alejandro and others,
>
> On 21 Aug 2013, at 8:07 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
>> I feel your pain... and am with you.
> :) it's much more fun than that, I have been through emotional pain in the past few years and this is really not painful. I fortunately have some experience, some years ago we did appoint another chair but it didn't work out. We learned from that experience.
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>> So, what would be helpful? To move that the application be frozen for a year until the new chapter in formation is tested as a section of the national and you can all work out how to coexist, and also have time to test whether the new guys are really committed, get proper training, etc.?
> Sure, I don't really care much about ISOC global or their funding at this point (I expect that ISOC global will undergo significant changes in the coming year which I am most excited about).
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> I do think that chapters need to be discerning with these applications, I know what happened in Serbia some years back and my sense is that there is a little too much unfounded encouragement going on. We have received a little funding for one event although it was not very helpful. The funding had all kinds of 'attachments'. The reason for Gabriel not managing to put together a single meeting has nothing to do with funding.
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>> To propose that ISOC give you and this other guy, or only you, the monies budgetted to support events so you can have a unified event in Joburg, or one in each city, or one in a third place, and include a workshop on how to be ISOC?
> ISOC-ZA have a half day event at our annual iWeek next month, it's in Gauteng.  ISOC-ZA is formulating a Johannesburg committee and I expect Gabriel should participate in it. ISOC-ZA have been having a half day in iWeek for more than 7 years, we've had an iNet a couple years ago, we have annual IPv6 training, we run the spammer bounty programme, etc...
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> We really need much more support on the policy side, we have various national policy issues and NO civil society interest or participation. I cannot express to you how important this is, if we cannot get people interested in commenting in changes in the .za domain, how can we consider any interest in global tlds / numbers / etc.
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> ISOC global could be doing much much more (well anything is more than nothing) to support (all chapters) on the policy side, if you want to help please encourage them to provide us with a smart - experienced - policy analyst for a few hours a week. They can be anywhere in the world, IMHO the regional bureaus have largely failed.
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> ISOC global need to adhere and respect the global members list, the posts on Tuesday were horrendous. I appeal to all chapters to make sure and test that ISOC staff read, understand, know and live by RFC1855.
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> I wrote to a few friends and board members as well as Waldo (and I called and I'm still waiting for any reply): I beg for your support to ensure that ISOC staff are made aware of basic rules of netiquette (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt). It's definitely something that I believe is important in my business and everyone here is well aware of this rfc, so I dare say it's sacred grounds for ISOC. (considered worthy of respect and devotion; inspiring awe or reverence among believers in a given set of internet standards)
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> There are many more issues I'd like to bring up but for now I suggest the issue is global members list abuse by ISOC-global. Do you know how many members are on that list? Do you know the portal does not work for list functionality? etc. etc.
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> Warm regards
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> Alan
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>> ________________________________________
>> Desde: Alan Levin [alan at isoc.org.za]
>> Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de agosto de 2013 11:00
>> Hasta: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
>> CC: sc.leung at isoc.hk; Barrack Otieno; ISOC Chapter Delegates
>> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in Gauteng
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>> Dear All,
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>> /delurk with apologies for absence of participation in this list for a while
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>> On 20 Aug 2013, at 4:12 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
>>> re the Gauteng chapter: I have asked whether the South Africa chapter agrees with this development and to the best of my understanding things are clear in this sense. There seems to be a good forecast of collaboration between both while the Gauteng chapter fulfills its purposes. So I am glad to join others who have told us about the local situation in support.
>> Kind thanks Alejandro for reverting.
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>> I have personally invested many man weeks in assisting and helping Mr Gabriel to co-ordinate a single meeting in Gauteng. Initially I explained to him that he should arrange to host a meeting with my full support and that I would fly to Johannesburg to attend.
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>> I have been looking for a person to take over the ISOC-ZA chapter for some years. Unfortunately I had to explain to the ISOC global people that I have supported Gabriel as far as my ability. If only he had managed to arrange a single meeting, honestly I spent many hours mentoring and coaching him (e.g. find a speaker, venue, agenda, invitations). After four months went by I suggested to him that I cannot commit more hours to coaching him and as soon as the speaker/venue/agenda is completed can he please confirm with me to arrange travel. Because he was never able to arrange a single meeting (with the support of ISOC-ZA), I consider this a rogue application.
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>> ISOC-ZA is a National organisation, I have identified a person to take the lead in Gauteng (and nationally over the coming year) so I feel that creating another chapter at this point is redundant.
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>> Sincerely
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>> Alan
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>> Alan Levin
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