[Chapter-delegates] [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
Carlos M. Martinez
carlosmarcelomartinez at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 08:49:22 PDT 2012
Agreed. I don't think Google (or any other organization for that matter)
should have either the 'right' nor the obligation of policing content.
It's a very dangerous slippery slope that quickly leads to restrictions
on freedom of expression and other crackdowns on content on the name of
'safety' or 'religion'.
Additionally, if the community should choose to follow this path of
content policing, it will quickly become unmanageable as there are
thousands of possible communities that might find themselves 'offended'
by something or other that other community says.
Someone mentioned before, Google has 'big pockets' and could possibly
maintain an army of censors, each trained on the particulars of
different religions and cultures trying to flag content as 'possibly
offensive'. If you make this a requirement, where does this leave
smaller content providers? What about individual bloggers? What about
individual Facebook profiles? Should they be policed too?
As Mr. McNamara puts it, nobody is being forced to watch the video. And
I can't help but feel that the video is just an excuse useful for
getting people on the streets for political reasons. This is not the
first time this has happened. Off the top of my head, without doing any
research, I can remember the Danish cartoons, and way before that, even
before the Internet went commercial, it was Salman Rushdie and the
'Satanic Verses'.
So, personally, I don't think the problem here lies with the Internet or
with Google, or with Wikipedia. They may be the symptom, but there are
deeper issues at play.
Warm regards,
~Carlos
On 9/19/12 4:20 AM, G. S. McNamara wrote:
> I completely disagree. Simply because a group of people have an issue
> with the content does not mean that the it should be banned from the
> Internet or removed at the source. Those people can simply avoid
> viewing the content themselves, instead of asking that it be removed
> for the whole world.
>
> Google has a policy to remove content that has threats in it. However,
> if people become violent in response to a video, that is beyond their
> control.
>
> I am only speaking for myself.
>
> Garrett McNamara
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Faisal Hasan <hasansf at gmail.com
> <mailto:hasansf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have been closely following the conversations thats going on
> about this topic. Thanks to those who have replied or following
> this discussion. I completely agree with Chaitanya's point. Also,
> thanks to Ian Peter for the article by Tim Wu, that truly outlines
> a possible solution.
>
> As advocates of free and open Internet that serves the good of
> humanity, global Internet Society and IGC can come together and
> play our roles. We can definitely provide a join statement about
> the issue and we can start a working group who will work together
> to devise a possible solution. Let us put forward our names (or
> chapters) who wants to work together.
>
> Thanks
> Faisal
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ian Peter
> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>
> In this context people might find this article by Tim Wu
> interesting in that it outlines some of the current Google/You
> Tube principles and suggests improvements based on a Wikipedia
> style model
>
> http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107404/when-censorship-makes-sense-how-youtube-should-police-hate-speech#
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *Chaitanya Dhareshwar <chaitanyabd at gmail.com
> <http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com>>
> *Reply-To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>>, Chaitanya Dhareshwar
> <chaitanyabd at gmail.com <http://chaitanyabd@gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Wed, 19 Sep 2012 11:29:58 +0530
> *To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>>, "Salanieta T.
> Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>>
> *Cc: *Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
> <http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Bangladesh Govt blocks YouTube
>
> I think we all agree
>
> 1. Freedom of speech is important
> 2. What is said must be carefully said - if it's likely to
> hurt the sentiments of the masses ("perceived compliance")
> something should be done to prevent that hurt sentiment -
> strongest being censorship (but what other measures could be
> used? - as Riaz said 'Reasonable' measures)
> 3. Service providers like youtube (google) that have a large
> reach and huge client base should consider possible methods to
> prevent hate/racist/etc messages (measures werent mentioned -
> we could work on this)
> 4. Governments need to know there are measures (point 2 & 3)
> that can be used without opting for censorship - as Faisal
> said we need to do our part on this or Governments will
> probably opt for blanket censorship
> 5. Violence and censorship are not viable solutions - the
> damage is just too great
>
> -C
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Salanieta T.
> Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Tapani Tarvainen
> <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
> <http://tapani.tarvainen@effi.org>> wrote:
>
> On Sep 19 16:26, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
> (salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>) wrote:
>
> > > I thought the topic was a possible caucus
> statement on the censorship
> > > of youtube, and I've tried to stick to that.
> > > And if it hasn't become clear yet, I would support
> a statement
> > > condemning violence but not one demanding censorship.
>
> > @ Tapani there was never any discussion on demanding
> censorship
>
> I must have misunderstood some messages, then.
> My apologies for all concerned.
>
>
> We are all advocates of an open and free internet at least
> I think we are. Developing a statement will help to give
> us an opportunity to craft messages about our position in
> the midst of the turmoil. How we wordsmith would be
> collaborative but first it has to resonate within the IGC.
> If the general consensus is not to develop a statement,
> then we won't.
>
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
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