[Chapter-delegates] Cñean-IT

[JotHal]

Good evening,

I am for clear position of European chapters o CleanIT project. It
should go away, though the real danger are similar regretful
initiatives of national dimension.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/ben-hayes/clean-it-secret-eu-surveillance-plan-that-wasn%E2%80%99t

Here is position on CleanIT by EuroISPA
http://www.euroispa.org/news/76-reaction-on-cleanit-project

Best
JH

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'JotHal' jozef [dot] halbersztadt [at] gmail [dot] com
Internet Society Poland http://www.isoc.org.pl



2012/10/25 CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>:
> Good evening:
>
> Thankyou Ted. I think that the issues here are rather different:
>
> 1. Effectiveness: having read various documents emanating from that project,
> I suggest that whatever Chapters and other Civil Society participants
> thought they were doing (for instance with reference to human rights and the
> rule of law), they have not achieved useful results. One has to draw the
> line somewhere.
>
> 2. Representation: in those countries where there are more than one Chapter
> (Belgium, Spain, India . . . ) I suggest that before a Chapter, or an
> individual Chapter member, engages in projects or policy development, they
> expressly associate their colleagues in the other Chapters. A fortiori, in
> Europe, which is why we have the ECC.
>
> 3. The ISOC "Label": I am troubled by the use  of "ISOC" (I do not speak of
> IPR) as a label for such purposes. I would be interested in the advice of
> the BoT conflict of interests entity in this connection.
>
> Regards
>
> CW
>
>
>
> On 25 Oct 2012, at 16:46, Ted Mooney wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
> My colleague Jacek Gajewski made a very important statement regarding the
> use of the Chapter Delegates list.
>
> "In general, I don't think that a Chapter X should publicly express concern
> what Chapter Y is doing within its area or constituency. And trying to
> present it as position of colleagues of other European Chapters without any
> prior public discussion or consultation is below any standard of discussion
> and netiquette/tradition of Chapter-delegates list. And this is was my
> concern in my capacity as  one of administrators of Chapter-Delegates list."
>
> Well said.  While ISOC staff is very happy to support the exchange of
> thoughts, information and professional critiques through this medium, the
> Chapter Delegates list is not a forum for expressing subjective
> dissatisfaction with one another.  Such opinions should be shared privately,
> between the parties.  And, as I believe you all understand, no chapter has
> the right to represent another with prior consultation and agreement.
>
> Such transgressions are indeed rare and the delegates on this list share
> their passion as well as their expertise with energy and professionalism.
> But when abuse does happen, it must be recognized and halted.
>
> With thanks and respect,
>
> Ted Mooney
> Sr. Director, Membership & Services
> Cell: 301-980-6446
> Skype: ted.mooney3
>
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